Mormon God's Penis

[_CaliforniaKid]

lol, Nightingale. While I don't know that I was ever conservative enough to be described as "fundy", my experience was roughly analogous to yours. Thanks,

-Chris

[_bcspace]

I do not know how we can seperate the persons of God from Jesus Penis. If the three are the same person the spirit part of God can't have anything Jesus does not have.(Luke 24:39)

That would be modalism, not the trinity.

[_bcspace]

They have penis envy?

Considering how many times the subject comes up here (or is a descriptive part of a subject), I'm beginning to think that penis envy is a major cause of apostasy from the LDS Church. Seriously though, I don't think I'm that far off base. Too many ex mos seem to have inordinate facsinations/worries about sex related issues.

[_wenglund]

Hi Wade,

Orthodox Christian doctrine affirms that Christ had two natures, one human and one divine, and that the two were united but not intermixed in any way. In the words of the Chalcedonian Confession,

"We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis."

In other words, while the mortal Jesus can be said to have had a penis, there is also a sense in which his divinity is not entirely implicated in his humanity. In any case, I can assure you that mainstream Christians do not talk or even think about Jesus' penis. They do not think that he ever actually use it in any sexual way; he practiced his own teaching about being a "eunuch" for God (in a moral rather than literal sense). In other words, Jesus is affirmed to have had a human nature but also to have set a pattern of asceticism, or denial of the flesh.

-Chris

Wonderfully said!

My reasons for pressing the issue is because this is precisely the point that I was hoping would be made (particularly the bolded section above) so as to invoke undestanding and empathy for how LDS view the Father and the Son (not that you, personally, don't already understand or empathize, but there are others here who clearly don't).

We LDS, with very rare exception (and that mostly when pressed on cerrtain issues), do not think or talk about the Father and Son in this way. We tend not to think or talk about them in this way because not only does it not typically occur to our minds, but reverence and sacredness and the desire to not open our beliefs to mockery, prevent us from doing so.

My other reason for pressing the issue (and I don't see this as applying to you--though it does apply to others), is to give cause for envoking the Golden Rule in hopes that certain Methodists and former Methodists and other professed religionists as well as people of conscience, would consider that if they do not wish to be forced to think in this way about their God or matters of sacredness and reference to them, and if they do not wish their sacred beliefs to be subjected to public ridicule and crass examination, the Golden Rule would suggest that they not do the same with LDS beliefs.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_truth dancer]

Hi Wade,

My experience is different than yours.

I find the teaching in the LDS church, that God is a man, one of the most common.

The idea that God is the "literal" father of our spirits, that he is an exalted man like other human men will be, that he has a literal flesh and bone body, that those who make it to the CKHL will be able to procreate for eternity, etc. etc. etc., is taught all the time in my experience.

~dancer~

[_wenglund]

Hi Wade,

My experience is different than yours.

I find the teaching in the LDS church, that God is a man, one of the most common.

The idea that God is the "literal" father of our spirits, that he is an exalted man like other human men will be, that he has a literal flesh and bone body, that those who make it to the CKHL will be able to procreate for eternity, etc. etc. etc., is taught all the time in my experience.

~dancer~

I wasn't referring generally to things like the LDS belief in God as an exalted man. I was referring specifically to LDS thinking and speaking of the male anatomy in relation to the Father and Son. (Please note the bolded section of Chris' post that I was responding to).

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Trinity]

Abandoning the idea that God does not have a penis would really put a kink into the everlasting plan of reproductive happiness in the hereafters for the church. As far as I am aware the LDS members are the only one with the dream of creating posterity, with an eternal mate, in the hereafters. When you proclaim that God has a body, and then you claim that the hereafters are for producing children, what other conclusion can you arrive to except that God has a functional penis.

But someone had better check the obits to see if Bobbitt has died. God's penis has fallen out of the sky and rests on the floor of Goblin Valley.

Exhibit A:

[_TAK]

I hear god has a foot fetish too..

KA - those shoes must be driving him nuts!

[_KimberlyAnn]

Abandoning the idea that God does not have a penis would really put a kink into the everlasting plan of reproductive happiness in the hereafters for the church. As far as I am aware the LDS members are the only one with the dream of creating posterity, with an eternal mate, in the hereafters.

They're also the only folks, as far as I know, who believe God was the literal father of Jesus Christ, in the same sense that mortal men are literal fathers of children.

KA

[_LifeOnaPlate]

I admit liking the shoes, they are very nice.