Does anyone here really think polygamy should be illegal?
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_Tal Bachman
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Does anyone here really think polygamy should be illegal?
Just wondering.
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_truth dancer
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Yep!
Now to be clear, I do not care at all what sort of alternative forms of partnering ADULTS, without coercion or manipulation, freely engage so long as children are not hurt but should the law recognize multiple partners, no.
Think of what people having multiple partners would actually create in the real world in terms of child custody, insurance rates, welfare, social security, medicare, divorce, property rights, legal rights, etc. etc. etc.
It would be a total mess of confusion for the laws and courts, and more particularly for children, (think of a child living in a compound where his mother has five husbands who each have five wives who are also married to other men), not to mention extraordinarily expensive for all of us. Our society and government are not equipped or designed to handle such a practice.
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Now to be clear, I do not care at all what sort of alternative forms of partnering ADULTS, without coercion or manipulation, freely engage so long as children are not hurt but should the law recognize multiple partners, no.
Think of what people having multiple partners would actually create in the real world in terms of child custody, insurance rates, welfare, social security, medicare, divorce, property rights, legal rights, etc. etc. etc.
It would be a total mess of confusion for the laws and courts, and more particularly for children, (think of a child living in a compound where his mother has five husbands who each have five wives who are also married to other men), not to mention extraordinarily expensive for all of us. Our society and government are not equipped or designed to handle such a practice.
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truth dancer wrote:... It would be a total mess of confusion ...
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_Inconceivable
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Re: Does anyone here really think polygamy should be illegal
Tal Bachman wrote:Just wondering.
What TD said.
Absolutely not. Under any circumstance I can think of. But particularly not the way the abominable practice was carried out by my ancestors, the Mormons.
I think of 30-70 year old men, instead of being home with their wife and children, courting women that should belong to a different generation.
It's about the conquest of a new sexual partner
It breeds disloyalty in men.
It makes widows out of young women with inocent and hungry children that needed a full time and young father (not a Young father).
It encourages favoritism.
It discourages intimacy
It spreads STD's
It calls evil good and good evil
There is no such thing as marrying a childhood sweetheart
Who wants to be a second wife? Who?
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_antishock8
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Yep. Absolutely. We have bigger fish to fry on this issue other than Mormons and their fringe groups. Islamic child bride marriages and government welfare assistance to polygamous families are just a couple things that come to mind. The biggest problem, as we clearly see with Islamic and Mormon polygamous practices, is their tendancy to abuse their faith and the faith of others in order to justify child rape. This becomes institutionalized, the natural order is disturbed when a limited number of males marry available women, and society ultimately pays the price. There is a reason why some societies are fundamentally violent, and love to dream about their 72 virgins after they make the ultimate sacrifice.
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Hi Inc,
While I don't care too much about the sex lives of individuals, I do find the practice of polygyny unhealthy for a variety of reasons.
The animalistic practice of males gathering a harem is very primitive. Polygamy is nothing but a manifestation of those primitive animalistic tendencies, reverting back to a time when men didn't bond with a woman or care for offspring but were basically a sperm donor.
One of the most amazing and fairly unique qualities of the human is male parental investment and the ability for a man to bond and care for a child. In addition the fact that a man and woman can unite emotionally and bond for a lifetime is truly a miracle, a very incredible and enlightened ability that in my opinion, is a result of the deepening and furthering of human consciousness.
To give this up and return to the male as sperm donor sexual strategy is to turn men into animals.
The rich and /or powerful males, gathering multiple weak or dependent women to pleasure and service them is a dynamic of ownership of subservient women, (despite women who claim otherwise), whether we are talking Warren Jeffs or Huge Hefner.
In addition, it is clear that society does not function well when many men are unable to have a partner. Powerful males dominating/owning multiple women creates a world where many men are unable to have a family or partner. Under these circumstances the rates of virtually ALL crimes go up. Polygyny is just not in the best interest of children, individuals, or society.
Finally, the idea of women being dependent or owned by men is sickening. For five thousand years, since the origin of patriarchy women have been without basic human rights, and have been treated as property. Polygyny is a system that continues the cruel idea that women are here to be used and abused by men for their pleasure. The harem lifestyle is not about intimacy, care, love, concern, emotional connection, or anything close to holiness. It is about a man's "need" for power and sex. Period. It is to boost the male ego while having multiple women to screw.
So, while I find the practice horrific, unhealthy, and abusive on many levels, again, I do not care about the individual sex lives of ADULTS. We know there are all sorts of aberrations, oddities, unusual fetishes, etc. etc. There will always be men and women with weird desires or creepy perversions. So long as they freely engage and children are not hurt I'm not too concerned. (Admitting a little in some cases).
~dancer~
While I don't care too much about the sex lives of individuals, I do find the practice of polygyny unhealthy for a variety of reasons.
The animalistic practice of males gathering a harem is very primitive. Polygamy is nothing but a manifestation of those primitive animalistic tendencies, reverting back to a time when men didn't bond with a woman or care for offspring but were basically a sperm donor.
One of the most amazing and fairly unique qualities of the human is male parental investment and the ability for a man to bond and care for a child. In addition the fact that a man and woman can unite emotionally and bond for a lifetime is truly a miracle, a very incredible and enlightened ability that in my opinion, is a result of the deepening and furthering of human consciousness.
To give this up and return to the male as sperm donor sexual strategy is to turn men into animals.
The rich and /or powerful males, gathering multiple weak or dependent women to pleasure and service them is a dynamic of ownership of subservient women, (despite women who claim otherwise), whether we are talking Warren Jeffs or Huge Hefner.
In addition, it is clear that society does not function well when many men are unable to have a partner. Powerful males dominating/owning multiple women creates a world where many men are unable to have a family or partner. Under these circumstances the rates of virtually ALL crimes go up. Polygyny is just not in the best interest of children, individuals, or society.
Finally, the idea of women being dependent or owned by men is sickening. For five thousand years, since the origin of patriarchy women have been without basic human rights, and have been treated as property. Polygyny is a system that continues the cruel idea that women are here to be used and abused by men for their pleasure. The harem lifestyle is not about intimacy, care, love, concern, emotional connection, or anything close to holiness. It is about a man's "need" for power and sex. Period. It is to boost the male ego while having multiple women to screw.
So, while I find the practice horrific, unhealthy, and abusive on many levels, again, I do not care about the individual sex lives of ADULTS. We know there are all sorts of aberrations, oddities, unusual fetishes, etc. etc. There will always be men and women with weird desires or creepy perversions. So long as they freely engage and children are not hurt I'm not too concerned. (Admitting a little in some cases).
~dancer~
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_Tal Bachman
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:If it is between consenting adults, how is it different than a married man with one or more girlfriends on the side?
---Not sure. There are loads of singles around who "date" (casually have sex with) a number of partners, and loads of married people who have, shall we say, non-traditional arrangements, and no one bats an eyelash. I'm not so sure why the piece of paper called a "marriage certificate" should suddenly change everything and activate law enforcement.
And I'm not sure that legalizing polygamy would appreciably change most marital arrangements. My guess is that the majority of women would continue to prefer, and insist on, one-on-one marriages, and their husbands would for the most part stick with that, as they do now. I just don't see a lot of support culturally (regardless of what the law says) for a total reconfiguration of marital norms...so why not stop harassing adults in "alternative marriages"?