Mormon God's Penis

[_wenglund]

Would someone please ask Kimberlyann to explain, in her current Methodist belief, how Christ obtain the Y chromosome that made him male--particularly in light of the Biblical declaration that Christ is begotten of God (Jn 1:14; 3:18,16; Acts 13:33; Heb 1:5; 5:5) as typified by Abraham and Isaac (Heb 11:17)?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-



It's a miracle, Wade. In Methodist belief, God's allowed to do those.

Yes, LDS insist that there is some logical explanation for how Jesus got a Y chromosome (a.k.a., SEX)

Can you provide one example of the alleged "insisting" in this specific case?

Are you insisting that there can be no logical explanation?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Jason Bourne]

The concept of God the Father having a penis is utterly foreign to Christians, despite the protestations of some Mormons. Christians do not believe God the Father came to earth as Jesus Christ. The belief that God the Father became Jesus in the flesh is called Modalism, (I believe, though I'm far from certain), and is considered a heresy by mainstream Christians. So, the argument that Christians believe God has a penis because they believe Jesus to be God doesn't hold water because Christians do not believe God the Father has a body at all. To them, He exists, and has existed, eternally as spirit.

Perhaps not. But they do believe a personage of the Godhead that was equal to God and One with the other two personages of the Godhead took upon himself flesh and was totally a man. That man was also resurrected and now has that same body for ever, penis and all.

[_Jason Bourne]

Even more shocking, God has a rectum.

M.G. doesn't have blood, though, according to Mormon doctrine. I suppose God's erection depicted on the Book of Abraham facsimile is full of spirit.

The whole idea of God being an exalted man is so bizarre to me now!

KA

Why? Do you believe one member of the Godhead was a man and resurrected? Christians do believe Christ kept his body. Hank Hanegraff calls Jesus Theophurus, the forever God-Man.

[_CaliforniaKid]

The concept of God the Father having a penis is utterly foreign to Christians, despite the protestations of some Mormons. Christians do not believe God the Father came to earth as Jesus Christ. The belief that God the Father became Jesus in the flesh is called Modalism, (I believe, though I'm far from certain), and is considered a heresy by mainstream Christians. So, the argument that Christians believe God has a penis because they believe Jesus to be God doesn't hold water because Christians do not believe God the Father has a body at all. To them, He exists, and has existed, eternally as spirit.

Perhaps not. But they do believe a personage of the Godhead that was equal to God and One with the other two personages of the Godhead took upon himself flesh and was totally a man. That man was also resurrected and now has that same body for ever, penis and all.

As I said above,

Orthodox Christian doctrine affirms that Christ had two natures, one human and one divine, and that the two were united but not intermixed in any way. In the words of the Chalcedonian Confession,

"We confess that one and the same Christ, Lord, and only-begotten Son, is to be acknowledged in two natures without confusion, change, division, or separation. The distinction between natures was never abolished by their union, but rather the character proper to each of the two natures was preserved as they came together in one person (prosopon) and one hypostasis."

In other words, while the mortal Jesus can be said to have had a penis, there is also a sense in which his divinity is not entirely implicated in his humanity.

Moreover, 1 Corinthians 15:44 says of the resurrection, "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body." I don't know that many Christians think much about what our bodies will be like in the afterlife, but I think there's a general assumption that they will be different than at present. All this is to say that the reason orthodox Christians start getting evasive when you ask whether Jesus' resurrected body has a penis is that, at the end of the day, they don't know and don't much care.

-Chris

[_KimberlyAnn]

Kimberly Ann believes in God? I am honestly a little shocked.

I think Wade is just using the label "Methodist" to lampoon the godless people who are defending the orthodox God-concept in this thread.

That would make more sense. I wasn't aware KA had any belief in deity.

I do believe KimberlyAnn does actually attend a Methodist congregation each week. I would presume that means she has some belief in God. Of course, I'm sure she'll correct any misperceptions should she check back in on this thread.

But what an odd thing for you to have said originally.

I've stated many times on this board, and others, that I'm not an atheist. I don't disbelieve in God, and most often, I DO believe in Him. Actually, I want to. I'd like to be more sure of what I believe, but for now, I have to live with my uncertainty.

Not long before I stopped posting on RfM, I made a thread there about why I didn't want to let go of God. It got a bit of criticism, but, mostly, I got a lot of supportive emails and comments. And those from rabid ex-Mos, too. Guess they're not all bad. ;)

I do attend a Methodist church each week and like it very much.

KA

[_Trevor]

I've stated many times on this board, and others, that I'm not an atheist. I don't disbelieve in God, and most often, I DO believe in Him. Actually, I want to. I'd like to be more sure of what I believe, but for now, I have to live with my uncertainty.

I do attend a Methodist church each week and like it very much.

Sigh. And here I was hoping that you are an atheist. Oh well. We would be just that much cooler with you among us.

[_KimberlyAnn]

I've stated many times on this board, and others, that I'm not an atheist. I don't disbelieve in God, and most often, I DO believe in Him. Actually, I want to. I'd like to be more sure of what I believe, but for now, I have to live with my uncertainty.

I do attend a Methodist church each week and like it very much.

Sigh. And here I was hoping that you are an atheist. Oh well. We would be just that much cooler with you among us.

Whatever.

There's no way that a group to which you already belong could be made any cooler, Trevor.

Kimberly

[_Trevor]

Whatever.

There's no way that a group to which you already belong could be made any cooler, Trevor.

Aw, shucks.

[_William Schryver]

beastlie:

Actually, this topic was triggered by Will Schryver's gloating about God having a penis, and offering an illustration of said penis.

It was actually a “symbol” of his penis rather than an actual “illustration.” Just striving for accuracy here …

He was probably inspired by Kerry, who discusses this with the most enthusiasm.

Actually, Kerry and I were inspired by Brigham Young, who is the most eloquent interlocutor of this particular concept.

Scratchy:

I'm wondering, my dear friend, Wade---what is your opinion on the siring of Jesus? Do you think that Heavenly Father used his penis for this?

Brigham Young certainly taught as much. And, for my own part, I can’t imagine it happening any other way. Although I’m certain it really bothers people who also understand that Mary was probably only 14-years-old at the time.

I wonder if those same people will, with pious outrage, rush to inform God how immoral He was in doing such a thing?

They just don’t seem to understand the principle underlying what my wife always says when I remind her (in a tone of advocacy) that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were permitted to have more than one wife. Says she:

You’re not Joseph Smith or Brigham Young.

[_CaliforniaKid]

I wonder if those same people will, with pious outrage, rush to inform God how immoral He was in doing such a thing?

I would, if I thought he'd really done it.