Report on Danny's Bookstore Spew

[_beastie]

As I understand it, the stone showed him the words as they were written, then a translation. he had to dress the language in his own words, and eventually he simply read the text without a translation offered and spoke what the text said as he translated it himself.

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[_Gazelam]

don't be so shocked Beastie. Everything having to deal with God is a school.

Keep that in mind, and the gospel as a whole will make much more sense to you as you study it.

P.s. that being said, I have yet to find the wing of the building dealing with grammer, spelling, punctuation, and sentence structure.

[_beastie]

Gaze,

I'm saying your explanation doesn't make sense.

Joseph Smith was shown a translation and then had to "dress" the language into his own words? What the heck????

And he later translated directly without even looking at the text, or knowing the native language???

Again, I say, what the heck?????

[Guest]

I'm sorry, let me quote you exactly since you seem to require a high precision of language even with informal questions.

I simply try to make sure that we are on the same page, guy. Nothing to get your panties in a bunch about. ;-)

Here is my reworded question: "Could you give some examples of what you deem 'puerile and tasteless' about the apologist you claimed 'heckled Grant Palmer at a book store', as well as some examples of what the apologist said that you considered 'heckling'?"

I believe it was Louis Midgley who showed up at a book event for Grant Palmer, making a lot of noise and interrupting him. There are a number of things that Midgley has pulled that were puerile and tasteless. Most of them were in print. As for what he precisely said, I do not recall. I think he accused Palmer of being a liar.

It will give me a sense for the proportionality of your perception, particularly in light of the kinds antics that go on here under the guise of "debate". In fact, I would like to see how it compares to what was said in the OP of this thread.

I am not here to defend much of what is said here. I would agree that a good deal of what is said here and elsewhere by critics of the LDS Church is puerile and tasteless. I don't know why you imagine you can divine my standards based on my sense of this one Midgley incident. If you were to follow my posting history here, I think you would find that I can cut both ways on these things. Take, for example, my recommendation to Scratch that he not use a quote from DCP that I heard second hand. He didn't listen, but I felt obliged to say it out of my personal sense of fairness.

[_Dr. Shades]

Oh, you went to the talk and asked DCP questions in person?

No. I very much wanted to, but I had an overtime shift that night and thus couldn't attend.

Didn't think so. Doing that might involve actually being discovered rather than hiding behind your internet monikers.

I'm not anonymous to DCP. I've been to his house, for heaven's sake.

[_Trevor]

I'm not anonymous to DCP. I've been to his house, for heaven's sake.

But did you get out alive?



Just kidding. ;-)

[_cinepro]

The CES manual for the New Testament tries to explain why the KJV of the Bible isn't a "perfect" translation. They share this quote from Elder Talmage:

This does not mean that the King James Version is a
perfect translation. Elder James E. Talmage gave a
reason for this when he wrote the following:

“There will be, there can be, no absolutely reliable
translation . . . unless it be effected through the gift of
translation, as one of the endowments of the Holy
Ghost. The translator must have the spirit of the
prophet if he would render in another tongue the
prophet’s words; and human wisdom alone leads not
to that possession.” (Talmage, The Articles of Faith,
p. 237.)


http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/full ... 74_eng.pdf

Based on that description, I wonder if Elder Talmage would classify the Book of Mormon translation as a "perfect" translation?

[_wenglund]

I believe it was Louis Midgley who showed up at a book event for Grant Palmer, making a lot of noise and interrupting him. There are a number of things that Midgley has pulled that were puerile and tasteless. Most of them were in print. As for what he precisely said, I do not recall. I think he accused Palmer of being a liar.

I didn't ask for a more detailed rephrasing of your accusations. I asked for specific examples to back up your charges. Reading comprehension, people. Reading comprehension. ;-)

It will give me a sense for the proportionality of your perception, particularly in light of the kinds antics that go on here under the guise of "debate". In fact, I would like to see how it compares to what was said in the OP of this thread.

I am not here to defend much of what is said here. I would agree that a good deal of what is said here and elsewhere by critics of the LDS Church is puerile and tasteless. I don't know why you imagine you can divine my standards based on my sense of this one Midgley incident. If you were to follow my posting history here, I think you would find that I can cut both ways on these things. Take, for example, my recommendation to Scratch that he not use a quote from DCP that I heard second hand. He didn't listen, but I felt obliged to say it out of my personal sense of fairness.

I'm not looking to "divine your standards". I am merely looking to get a sense of the proportionality of your preceptions in this particular case. Reading comprehension, people. Reading comprehension. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Boaz & Lidia]

Thus everything in the book is true and there are no "translation errors" like "horse" for tapir.

On the other hand, I think it would be be delightful to have a tapir pull a cart load of Dr. Peterson's books up to the podium, the next time he speaks at a bookstore.

Or a tapir on stage and crapping right into his hand, after which he hold the turds high and announces "THIS IS TRUE!"

[_moksha]

Thus everything in the book is true and there are no "translation errors" like "horse" for tapir.

On the other hand, I think it would be be delightful to have a tapir pull a cart load of Dr. Peterson's books up to the podium, the next time he speaks at a bookstore.

I would definitely attend that spectacle!

It would serve to show that Dr. Peterson had the one true cart load.

(Ignore Boaz. He would involve an innocent tapir in an unsavory act)