I've heard them mentioned before in these parts (and elsewhere), but I am abashedly ignorant as to "who" they are/were.
Anyone have a fairly concise website they can point me to that gives a decent overview?
Thank you, Stu
Technically, the "Moonies" are members of the "Unification Church", which is lead by a Korean gentleman by the name of Sun Myung Moon. Moonies hold this guy in much higher regard than Mormons hold President Monson or even Joseph Smith, if you can imagine such a thing. You may have seen a believe-it-or-not style T.V. show showing weddings where thousands of people get married at the same time? Those are the moonies. He'll have thousands of people show up for a wedding, and he'll play instant match-maker--basically he'll have the guys and girls line up in two rows, and with about as much care and efficiency as the Mormons use to assign kids to missions, Moon assign the husbands to the wives and will immediately marry them, with no regard to even whether or not they literally speak the same language.
Here is an introduction from the church's official website:
But I'll warn you--this is the milk--the meaty teachings resemble what you read there just as much as the missionary discussions resemble the endowment ceremony.
The best source for objective information about them is probably Hassan himself:
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
Tal Bachman wrote:Hey - I just noticed this quote on your post: "We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
---Is that a real quote? That is HILARIOUS!
Yes. It was from a couple General Conferences ago. He was comparing Mormonism to mainstream christianity and explaining why Mormonism was better, because Mormons don't rely on man-made statements about deity the way those silly christians do.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
Hassan. He's "enough of an expert" on cults, I wouldn't think he's the most serious sociologist and psycholgist, but, where he shines through is in his expertise in getting results. He's a true counter-cult consultant. He goes in and gets results through interventions in ways that might seem to cross lines, but if you have a loved one in a cult and can come up with a location and the required cash, Hassan will go in and and have a pretty good chance at boldly confronting the inductee and getting them out.
I've wondered about getting a donation fund together and hiring Hassan to go in and rescue Peterson or Pahoran. lol. That would be the capstone of his career if he could pull it off, could you even imagine what a total bad ass that would make him?
Gadianton wrote:Hassan. He's "enough of an expert" on cults, I wouldn't think he's the most serious sociologist and psycholgist, but, where he shines through is in his expertise in getting results. He's a true counter-cult consultant. He goes in and gets results through interventions in ways that might seem to cross lines, but if you have a loved one in a cult and can come up with a location and the required cash, Hassan will go in and and have a pretty good chance at boldly confronting the inductee and getting them out.
I've wondered about getting a donation fund together and hiring Hassan to go in and rescue Peterson or Pahoran. lol. That would be the capstone of his career if he could pull it off, could you even imagine what a total bad ass that would make him?
He doesn't' work exactly like that, but maybe, just maybe Dr. Pete will one day see the light.
Gadianton wrote:I've wondered about getting a donation fund together and hiring Hassan to go in and rescue Peterson or Pahoran. lol. That would be the capstone of his career if he could pull it off, could you even imagine what a total bad ass that would make him?
I'll put in $100 for Peterson. With Pahoran, I think it would be more appropriate to hire an exorcist though.
It’s relatively easy to agree that only Homo sapiens can speak about things that don’t really exist, and believe six impossible things before breakfast. You could never convince a monkey to give you a banana by promising him limitless bananas after death in monkey heaven.
Dr. Shades wrote:Smac97 is shooting himself in the foot.
Here we have the official church trying desperately to distance itself from the FLDS Church in every way possible, then Smac turns around and defends it as though he--and every other Mormon--is blood-brothers with them.
So, which is it? Are LDS and FLDS brothers-in-arms, or are they two distinct religions not to be confused with one another?
If the brethren really are correct in their assertions, then you'd think Smac97 would be agreeing with Hassan, not attacking him.
We are bastard brothers, born of the same father, different mothers. Or, I suppose, we come from a polygamous family - from different mothers, same father (Joseph Smith).
We can't deny we share the same history. The LDS family line was forced to change. We are definitely not two distinct religions. We still believe in polygamy, we just "aren't practicing it now." Most LDS believe they will live polygamy in the celestial kingdom because there will be so many more righteous women than men.
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Gadianton wrote:I've wondered about getting a donation fund together and hiring Hassan to go in and rescue Peterson or Pahoran. lol. That would be the capstone of his career if he could pull it off, could you even imagine what a total bad ass that would make him?
I'll put in $100 for Peterson. With Pahoran, I think it would be more appropriate to hire an exorcist though.
How much are you willing to go in for Will Schriver? How about Coggins? How about Nehor? How about Pres. Monson, Elder Packer, or even someone Richard Bushman? How about Cinepro? How about your's truly?
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Gadianton wrote:I've wondered about getting a donation fund together and hiring Hassan to go in and rescue Peterson or Pahoran. lol. That would be the capstone of his career if he could pull it off, could you even imagine what a total bad ass that would make him?
I'll put in $100 for Peterson. With Pahoran, I think it would be more appropriate to hire an exorcist though.
How much are you willing to go in for Will Schriver? How about Coggins? How about Nehor? How about Pres. Monson, Elder Packer, or even someone Richard Bushman? How about Cinepro? How about your's truly?
I'd definitely put in a hundred bucks for you.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen