Coca Cola wrote:From my experience, this is so true. Once I finally decided to seek information elsewhere, I couldn't believe what I learned. And I felt guilty about it too.
A poster named Coca Cola? That's kick ass. Welcome. :)
wenglund wrote: The question is, is this fear irrational when it comes to your average believing member?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Good question Wade. However, let me pose another one. BH Roberts spent a great deal of time researching and writing a report into some of the origin questions regarding the First Vision and other matters. When he requested to present it to the Quorum of the Twelve, they voted not to hear it. Could one suppose that they were dubious and perhaps fearful of learning the truth? Were they irrational?
We also have to remember the case of the Director of the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers who took it upon herself to destroy pages of donated pioneer journals, because they contained troubling information. Were her fears irrational?
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
wenglund wrote: The question is, is this fear irrational when it comes to your average believing member?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Good question Wade. However, let me pose another one. BH Roberts spent a great deal of time researching and writing a report into some of the origin questions regarding the First Vision and other matters. When he requested to present it to the Quorum of the Twelve, they voted not to hear it. Could one suppose that they were dubious and perhaps fearful of learning the truth? Were they irrational?
We also have to remember the case of the Director of the Daughters of the Utah Pioneers who took it upon herself to destroy pages of donated pioneer journals, because they contained troubling information. Were her fears irrational?
I don't know enough about either situation to say one way or the other. But, my intent here isn't to answer myself the question I asked above, but let each decide for themselves.
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
To me, the answer is obvious. Principly, it is like asking: "who should decide what is pertinent to knowing mathmatics, the math teacher or the potential math student?
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
To me, the answer is obvious. Principly, it is like asking: "who should decide what is pertinent to knowing mathmatics, the math teacher or the potential math student?
I see. So, according to you, if a member of your ward came to you with a no-lose investment opportunity that would double your return in less than a month, and all you had to do was give him $5,000 to invest, then he should be the one to determine whether or not you should know that he had spent time in jail for fraud?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
To me, the answer is obvious. Principly, it is like asking: "who should decide what is pertinent to knowing mathmatics, the math teacher or the potential math student?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
You, DCP, and countless other apologists have stated repeatedly that the Church is "not a classroom" or "not a seminar," etc. Therefore, you can kiss that analogy goodbye.
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
To me, the answer is obvious. Principly, it is like asking: "who should decide what is pertinent to knowing mathmatics, the math teacher or the potential math student?
I see. So, according to you, if a member of your ward came to you with a no-lose investment opportunity that would double your return in less than a month, and all you had to do was give him $5,000 to invest, then he should be the one to determine whether or not you should know that he had spent time in jail for fraud?
No...I don't believe you did see. In fact, I can't find the least indication in your irrelevant investment analogy where you at all see what I meant by my relevant teacher analogy.
What I see is that you are putting words into my mouth. Please stop.
Should the church be the one to decide what is or is not pertinent for a potential convert to know before joining, or should the potential convert be the one to decide?
To me, the answer is obvious. Principly, it is like asking: "who should decide what is pertinent to knowing mathmatics, the math teacher or the potential math student?
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
You, DCP, and countless other apologists have stated repeatedly that the Church is "not a classroom" or "not a seminar," etc. Therefore, you can kiss that analogy goodbye.
I've said no such thing--though given your penchant for convoluting what I have said, it is not surprising that you would have thought that. But, to quote DCP: "need more straw?"
wenglund wrote:No...I don't believe you did see. In fact, I can't find the least indication in your irrelevant investment analogy where you at all see what I meant by my relevant teacher analogy.
The reason the investment analogy is completely relevant--whereas your teacher analogy is wholly irrelevant--is because to join Mormonism is to embark on a lifetime of investment of money, time, and effort.
So tell us, Wade: If someone wanting you to give him money to invest on your behalf was ever in jail, is his jail term pertinent to your decision to give him money? Why or why not? And who should decide if the jail term is pertinent--you, or him? Why?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"