asbestosman wrote:It's conceivable that the FLDS are being persecuted for their religion . . .
They are marrying of their pubescent daughters to middle aged men as human embryo incubators as part of their religion. They deserve to be persecuted. I fervently hope that they are persecuted even more.
(Though I'm not sure I agree with this particular mode of persecution. by the way, I wonder how much of this intervention in Texas has been driven by Christian evangelical fervor?)
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
Guy wrote:They are marrying of their pubescent daughters to middle aged men as human embryo incubators as part of their religion. They deserve to be persecuted. I fervently hope that they are persecuted even more.
truth dancer wrote:I've worked with CPS enough to know that these are seriously caring adults who are absolutely doing the best the can to protect children. These are adults who give their lives to help families. They WANT to help families stay together if there is anyway possible. Yes, I have faith in them. Absolutely.
In addition, I have faith in the laws that are in place to protect children. It is virtually impossible to remove children from a home unless there is evidence of abuse or children are in danger.
I have no doubt that the CPS seriously cares for protecting those children and I appreciate that and am happy that they actually do help many children. However, I also think that authorities had the best of intentions when we had the Satanic Ritual Abuse scare thing going on a couple decades ago. That's why I do not have faith in them.
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Guy wrote:They are marrying of their pubescent daughters to middle aged men as human embryo incubators as part of their religion. They deserve to be persecuted. I fervently hope that they are persecuted even more.
Hell, I hope they're castrated.
How does one castrate those women? Oh, you were talking about the men. Carry on. I'm not going to defend the men. I hope Warren Jeffs rots in prison and then further rots in the afterlife--or is reincarnated as an FLDS girl who is made to marry her cousin when she first hits puberty.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Guy wrote:They are marrying of their pubescent daughters to middle aged men as human embryo incubators as part of their religion. They deserve to be persecuted. I fervently hope that they are persecuted even more.
Hell, I hope they're castrated.
How does one castrate those women? Oh, you were talking about the men. Carry on. I'm not going to defend the men. I hope Warren Jeffs rots in prison and then further rots in the afterlife--or is reincarnated as an FLDS girl who is made to marry her cousin when she first hits puberty.
Sorry that wasn't clear. Yes, I was referring to the men. And I LOVE your visual. LOL
Would you happen to know what CPS procedure is if they were to go into a traditional home and find belt marks on one child. Would they also then remove any other children at the same time as well?
I would say not automatically, but typically.
I think it is safe to say that if a CPS worker went into a home, found one or two abused children while the parents were lying and deceiving CPS workers, that additional children would most certainly be temporarily removed from the home to ensure the safety of the children.
~dancer~
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asbestosman wrote:It's conceivable that the FLDS are being persecuted for their religion . . .
(Though I'm not sure I agree with this particular mode of persecution. by the way, I wonder how much of this intervention in Texas has been driven by Christian evangelical fervor?)
Me too. I am bothered that they activated a Baptist organization to round up the women and children. They had four years to do background preparation for this raid, surely that gave them enough time to utilize a secular group like United Way if the government did not have the resources to do it without outside help.
And the guy who was in charge of this baptist group. News stories have him with both titles:
Kevin Dinnin, Baptist Child Family Services Emergency Division
Kevin Dinnin with the Texas governor's Division of Emergency Management
Which is he? And is he both? If he is both, it is no wonder there was a blur between church and state in this particular situation.
"I think one of the great mysteries of the gospel is that anyone still believes it." Sethbag, MADB, Feb 22 2008
Would you happen to know what CPS procedure is if they were to go into a traditional home and find belt marks on one child. Would they also then remove any other children at the same time as well?
I would say not automatically, but typically.
I think it is safe to say that if a CPS worker went into a home, found one or two abused children while the parents were lying and deceiving CPS workers, that additional children would most certainly be temporarily removed from the home to ensure the safety of the children.
~dancer~
Thanks for the response (and John too). I think this case is so unique that they probably should have erred to the side of caution rather than mass rounding up the group while saying to devil with the details. If those details trip them up legally and end up allowing the abusers to go back to business as usual, that will be a sad, sad day.
"I think one of the great mysteries of the gospel is that anyone still believes it." Sethbag, MADB, Feb 22 2008