There's not a damn Mormon on here worth engaging with...

[_Coca Cola]

Mormonism also makes us feel special, because we have "the truth" and are therefore better and more enlightened than everyone else, no matter how learned, successful, or kind they are.

This is utter pap, not taught by the Church, and expressed by almost no LDS I have ever known. You might try just a little harder next time to be credible.

Yet this attitude is present in almost every one of your posts, Coggins. You illustrate by your behavior what I describe above. Which, I might add, makes my observation credible.

I didn't say it was outwardly taught by the church. And you obviously don't know many LDS people.

I may just be a humble can of Coca Cola, but I have deep pioneer roots and live in a town founded upon the orders of Brigham Young. About 98% of my friends, family and associates are LDS, including my boss and co-workers.

[_harmony]

Where are the Mormons you can have a rational conversation with about Mormonism?

How very nice for you... you're so high above us all. Is this a preliminary thread to you high-tailing it out of here again? Or has MAD banned you permanently, so there's really not that many places left where just about everyone isn't just like you?

A lesson in manners: one must first be what one wants the other to be. Only at that point can one complain about what the other is not.

I think your perception of Tal is wrong.

I'm willing to be convinced.

This morning as I was having a long distance conversation with my Swiss cousin who is a super hotshot in Asian playing field, I was lamenting that over 50% of planets population consists of useless people who do nothing but consume & live in mediocrity. His answer was; "I'd go much higher 60, or even 70% of people probably belong to this category, have no intention of taking the initiative, happy to live without even thinking how far they could go.

And because they aren't like you, you write them off as inconsequential? Useless? Wow.

I live in a rural area. 95% of my neighbors are farmers. They get on their tractors and ride up and down a field all day. Essentially they themselves have accomplished nothing, except sit on their butts all day. Yet the crop gets planted, comes up, flourishes, is harvested, and taken to market where you, the consumer, can buy and eat it. Without them, these useless lazy people, you have no food.

Uselessness, just like everything else, is in the eye of the beholder.

I think MADd, CARM like boards boards represent starkly my sentiments about that part of humanity that I loathe. They trickle here and there too.

Then why subject yourself to them? No one's twisting your arm. Is it healthy for you to engage that which you obviously loathe?

I don't see Tal as arrogant guy; he has talent and uses his brain. What I wonder is; what took him so long to wake up?

You are, of course, welcome to your opinion. Others may not share the same opinion. And that's all right. Strangely enough, some people look at me as a wise woman. Strange, I know. And it's certainly not a universal opinion.

[_The Dude]

That certainly is untrue; I don't answer questions with "because."

---Sigh.

Senor Crocket,

I just copied and pasted this from your earlier post:

I wrote: "Where are the Mormons you can have a rational conversation with about Mormonism?"

You replied:" Because your opening posts are lessons in unfocused verbosity, and then you rarely do much more than post an opening post. "

See what I mean?

"Where are my car keys?" "Because you lost them, that's why"

"Where is her house?" "Because she moved here last month"

"Where are all these cockroaches coming from?" "Because the house is dirty".

LOL

Well, I would just like to interject on Senor Rocket's side that "where/because" can be found in obscure ancient middle eastern texts. In a certain ancitent cultural perspective that supports the Book of Mormon, Mr Rocket's usage was entirely correct -- and just what we should expect from a Book of Mormon believer.

So go easy on him.

[_bcspace]

Do "damn Mormons" even exist?

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Do "damn Mormons" even exist?

"Will all be damned but Mormons?"

"Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).

[_bcspace]

Do "damn Mormons" even exist?

"Will all be damned but Mormons?"

"Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).

D&C 76:84 Amen.

[_LifeOnaPlate]

My quote can outquote your quote!

[_bcspace]

However, I think damn Marmons exist. Especially around varmit season.

[_Gazelam]

Seth,

Of course, Gazelam is living proof that some arguments can be made however idiot-proof we want, and faith will somehow respond by making a better idiot.

Yes, but I Am showing signs of growth... : )

If I were stagnant I'd be appalled at myself, which was my fear when I was not mentioned in the OP. Of coarse, spending the first half of the year mostly in the jukebox thread probably didn't help me in the visibility department around here.

[_Gazelam]

I attempted to have a conversation about the Holy Ghost with Tal, and spent a great deal of effort in transcribing a favorite talk I have that brought out great points in reference to the Holy Ghost.

The problem is Tal only wanted to discuss the Holy Ghost in a way that I really couldent wrap my head around.

"What if the Holy Ghost wasn't real, what would oyu attribute the feelings of the Holy Ghost to?"

I really didn't know how to answer that. So perhaps I prove his point. Mormons don't know how to discuss things with Tal, because he refuses the evidence and testimonies offered to him by everyone who has experienced God over the past 6,000 years.

I only know how to discuss the things of God using the evidence at hand.

I know what was taught to me about the Holy Ghost, and I know that when I did what I was told I got the results that were promised to me.

Sorry Tal.