Floored and speechless? OK, that sounds fun lets make it last. Read the following.
I don't know how memory is stored in the brain.
I don't know how to unify the Standard Model with general relatvity.
I don't know if string theory is a dead end.
I don't know how many species of spiders there are.
I don't know how life started.
I don't know how how to speak Russian.
I don't know why you believe in the Mormon church.
I don't know why you are floored.
I got more.
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Tarski wrote:And what are they wearing? Spirit cotton/polyester blend?
Spirit leather.
The spirit cow didn't didn't rise as a spirit?
How do I say that? Where did it ccome from is the question. What happened to that cow.
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Tarski wrote:The spirit cow didn't didn't rise as a spirit? How do I say that? Where did it ccome from is the question. What happened to that cow.
It's hide was doubled using The axiom of choice and the Banach Tarski paradox. ;)
OK, what happened to the question marks on my sentences and where did that extra c come from????????
Oh man I have to go to bed.
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when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Sethbag wrote:You commonly hear an apologist say that the brain is a transducer, essentially a medium through which the thoughts of the spirit are made accessible by the physical matter of the body in this world.
One problem with this is that scientists are learning more and more about how the actual thoughts that we think, the memories that we have, the decisions we make, etc. are actually formed, stored, and produced by the neural network of our physical brain tissue. What is it exactly that the spirit is doing if the actual thinking is being done by the cells of the brain, and the brain isn't just some kind of transmission device making the thoughts of a spirit accessible in the flesh?
Tarski hits one out of the park again, as usual. The whole concept of a spirit that thinks, attached to our physical bodies which are just the shell that our spirits control, is bankrupt. There's really nothing left for the spirit to do, once one has accounted for the part of it all that the brain is doing, physically, with its cells.
Ah! Someone is awake!
I speculate that the Spirit is not really a transducer. Instead of flesh reacting to spirit, spirit reacts to flesh. The scriptures are clear that the spirit you have in this life follows you to the next. Throw in several prophetic discourses on the fragility of the Spirit and I think it is more likely that our conscious actions take place in the brain and imprint themselves on the Spirit as opposed to the opposite. If this is true then the postmortal Spirit is the sum total of the human experience lived. I also suspect that real spiritual experiences are a rare example of the opposite whereby the Spirit causes actions to take place in the brain as opposed to vice-versa.
However, this is all just speculation based on a VERY basic understanding of the human nervous system and an attempt to analyze myself. If I find out I'm wrong, I'll just have a good laugh at myself.
I had an old roommate who believed that Spirits were stupid while I believed they were smarter then we are. He converted me to having no idea.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Sethbag wrote:You commonly hear an apologist say that the brain is a transducer, essentially a medium through which the thoughts of the spirit are made accessible by the physical matter of the body in this world.
One problem with this is that scientists are learning more and more about how the actual thoughts that we think, the memories that we have, the decisions we make, etc. are actually formed, stored, and produced by the neural network of our physical brain tissue. What is it exactly that the spirit is doing if the actual thinking is being done by the cells of the brain, and the brain isn't just some kind of transmission device making the thoughts of a spirit accessible in the flesh?
Tarski hits one out of the park again, as usual. The whole concept of a spirit that thinks, attached to our physical bodies which are just the shell that our spirits control, is bankrupt. There's really nothing left for the spirit to do, once one has accounted for the part of it all that the brain is doing, physically, with its cells.
Ah! Someone is awake!
I speculate that the Spirit is not really a transducer. Instead of flesh reacting to spirit, spirit reacts to flesh. The scriptures are clear that the spirit you have in this life follows you to the next. Throw in several prophetic discourses on the fragility of the Spirit and I think it is more likely that our conscious actions take place in the brain and imprint themselves on the Spirit as opposed to the opposite. If this is true then the postmortal Spirit is the sum total of the human experience lived. I also suspect that real spiritual experiences are a rare example of the opposite whereby the Spirit causes actions to take place in the brain as opposed to vice-versa.
However, this is all just speculation based on a VERY basic understanding of the human nervous system and an attempt to analyze myself. If I find out I'm wrong, I'll just have a good laugh at myself.
I had an old roommate who believed that Spirits were stupid while I believed they were smarter then we are. He converted me to having no idea.
A spirit laugh or a physical laugh?
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie
yesterday's Mormon doctrine is today's Mormon folklore.-Buffalo
Sethbag wrote:You commonly hear an apologist say that the brain is a transducer, essentially a medium through which the thoughts of the spirit are made accessible by the physical matter of the body in this world.
One problem with this is that scientists are learning more and more about how the actual thoughts that we think, the memories that we have, the decisions we make, etc. are actually formed, stored, and produced by the neural network of our physical brain tissue. What is it exactly that the spirit is doing if the actual thinking is being done by the cells of the brain, and the brain isn't just some kind of transmission device making the thoughts of a spirit accessible in the flesh?
Tarski hits one out of the park again, as usual. The whole concept of a spirit that thinks, attached to our physical bodies which are just the shell that our spirits control, is bankrupt. There's really nothing left for the spirit to do, once one has accounted for the part of it all that the brain is doing, physically, with its cells.
Ah! Someone is awake!
I speculate that the Spirit is not really a transducer. Instead of flesh reacting to spirit, spirit reacts to flesh. The scriptures are clear that the spirit you have in this life follows you to the next. Throw in several prophetic discourses on the fragility of the Spirit and I think it is more likely that our conscious actions take place in the brain and imprint themselves on the Spirit as opposed to the opposite. If this is true then the postmortal Spirit is the sum total of the human experience lived. I also suspect that real spiritual experiences are a rare example of the opposite whereby the Spirit causes actions to take place in the brain as opposed to vice-versa.
However, this is all just speculation based on a VERY basic understanding of the human nervous system and an attempt to analyze myself. If I find out I'm wrong, I'll just have a good laugh at myself.
I had an old roommate who believed that Spirits were stupid while I believed they were smarter then we are. He converted me to having no idea.
A spirit laugh or a physical laugh?
I have no idea, I guess it would depend on when I found out.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
So what did your spirit know and do before you ever received a body?
I don't think your idea jives very well with the main LDS feelings on the matter of spirits and bodies. LDS teach that you are here on Earth to subject your body to your spirit, and master it. This is very different than your conjecture.
Anyhow, your conjecture is nothing more than an ad hoc hypothesis meant to try to avoid the problem of the LDS teaching about a spirit appearing not to make a whole lot of sense in light of what we know of our physical brains. You do this a lot, and with any conceivable topic about the LDS church. Perhaps you should just accept that it isn't really true and stop making excuses for it, and trying to imagine clever little hypotheses that you think get your doctrine out of trouble.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
"Are Spirits Stupid?" I've met a few. As well as mean, sweet, noble, and intelligent. The only way they are identified is through the behaviors, actions, reactions of the bodies wherein they reside.
Some times you can, as suggested, get an idea about them by the clothes their body wears , i.e. "leather" etc... :-) Roger
I think pre-existent spirits must have been incredibly stupid. Mormonism teaches that the "plan of salvation" that HF and Jesus championed in the pre-existence was not new. Therefore, the ending had to be known - God wins, Satan gets cast out. And yet one third of HF's children still followed the known, predetermined loser.
So either they're stupid or HF was such a horrible parent that being cast out from his presence sounded good.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.