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What is your best guess at what wil happen when we die

 
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_John Larsen
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Post by _John Larsen »

Brackite wrote:
John Larsen wrote:Consciousness is the excretion of the brain. As the brain goes, so goes the person.


Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this statement.
Please Check Out And See:

People Have NDEs While Brain Dead:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html


No one has established that those experiences happen "while brain dead". The dream like experiences of NDEs likely occur during the brain activity proceeding a zero brain activity state or during the period following. The problem is that everyone who has had a NDE also has subsequent brain activity which can obviously account for their anecdotal experience.

I will be convinced when some can relate their DE instead of their NDE.
_ajax18
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Re: Life After Death

Post by _ajax18 »

You know, I think this is a sentiment lots of people hold. I disagree. It is an extrinsic reward. I would think we would all be better off if humanity would move closer to the intrinsic rewards of "good deeds".


Maybe intrinsic good deeds are a philosophical ideal in some way. I can see that. Yet for me intrinsic good deeds leave a lot of unanswered questions? It seems that if you ask enough questions about intrinisic good deeds, it leads the conclusion that people should do what is in the best interest of the human species. I believe that individuals should act in their own self interest.

I was taught that the founding fathers recognize that most people act out of self interest. I really don't see that changing. And from the perspective of the individual, I can't see why it should. Clearly people seem more motivated by extrinsic rewards/punishments. They're also motivated on how quickly these judgments are executed. Otherwise we would not have the need for more police, more security, or the trend even amongst the liberal left to support capital punishment. My religion and philosophy provide a hope for me of fairness in a world where fairness for all scientific purposes does not exist. And yet I contend that fairness must always exist.

Why do you say that humanity would be better off if we would look to the intrinsic rewards of good deeds? What exactly are the intrinsic rewards? Can you even prove that they exist?

Take this example. Charlie gives his life in the series lost so that other people can have a hope of a better life. What good does it do for Charlie if his friends have a better life? He certainly doesn't feel good about it. He doesn't feel anything at all. He's dead. Does it help the species? Perhaps, but what does Charlie care, he's no longer a part of the species. Hence the theme of modern morality to me, seems to be that human beings should act in the best interest of the species, preferably agianst your race if you're white and against your own gender if you're male.

Is it really just the selfish gene hypothesis that ulitmately drives all living things? I talk about this point so much because to me this question of why we do what we do is what makes religion still of interest in the world today. I believe it's these moral questions that will continue to give a place for religion even when it has lost a lot of territory to science since times past.

I think we all yearn for justice.
And when the confederates saw Jackson standing fearless as a stone wall the army of Northern Virginia took courage and drove the federal army off their land.
_Tarski
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Post by _Tarski »

Brackite wrote:
John Larsen wrote:Consciousness is the excretion of the brain. As the brain goes, so goes the person.


Sorry, but I strongly disagree with this statement.
Please Check Out And See:

People Have NDEs While Brain Dead:
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/evidence01.html


I can't believe these guy don't notice a serious flaw. If I have a memory I tell later I also have time stamp on it. If I think it happened during time X that doesn't even come close meaning that's when I formed the memory. I could have been fomed in the few minutes that I was recovering. In principle I could form a memory as I fiant right now that seemed to be ten days ealier and to have lasted 10 hours. I have heard people say that this can happedn if you haperventilate and knock yourself out.

They need to read Time and the Observer
http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/time&obs.htm

and "Are Dreams Experiences"
http://jorgemlg.googlepages.com/Dennett ... iences.pdf
when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie

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_Gazelam
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Post by _Gazelam »

Death is just walking into the next room.

I am curious though as to when the veil is lifted and we regain our memories of the pre-existence. I think that that moment will really be an awakening experience for many people.

I wonder how many families will look to a certain individual and point a finger of blame because they were the ones who broke away from the true faith.

Will be interesting to be sure.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
_John Larsen
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Post by _John Larsen »

Gazelam wrote:Death is just walking into the next room.

I am curious though as to when the veil is lifted and we regain our memories of the pre-existence. I think that that moment will really be an awakening experience for many people.

I wonder how many families will look to a certain individual and point a finger of blame because they were the ones who broke away from the true faith.

Will be interesting to be sure.


I'm sure we will all blame the Jews. Or those bastards who built that tower. If they had minded their business, we would all be speaking Adamic in harmonious bliss.
_msnobody
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Post by _msnobody »

I'm gonna be with Jesus!
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