Pent’s response to a Mormon who also protested his vulgarity:
Quote: Seven,
I probably did read more into his post that is there. However, I must admit that I find it fascinating that it always seems to be men who argue in favor of such things. I've never seen a woman (except in the case of occassional porn star) worries about such things.
Nevo,
Actually, I used that term as a euphamism, it wasn't meant to vulgar. I apologize if you were offended. Please assume I was talking about a large, boxy SUV.
Pent
Very interesting. Thank you for posting this, Beastie. You *do* know who "Pent" is, right? He now posts on MAD using the nom de guerre "Confidential Informant." All I have to say is: Wow, what a guy. This is the same person who represented Allan Wyatt & et. al. during the Tanner lawsuit. Was he thinking these same kinds of things about Sandra Tanner, I wonder?
Moniker wrote:I just want to mention something - and I don't know how LDS approach this or not. Yet, when men have ever courted me they were GENTLEMAN. They read poetry to me, they walked around the parks with me, swung on swings (STEUSS!!:), stared at me and listened to me blather... NEVER was I approached with a man making a sexualized comment to me that I would become interested in. That's not what does it for me, I recoil, actually. The men that hooted and hollered at me (in whatever way) were the ones I ran from.
Surely that can't be different with LDS women?
I don't like guys like that - they hurt girls in the long run. That's TV land and then cognitive dissonance. All men eventionally show they are just like any other guy - a primate with computer skills.
I don't like guys like that - they hurt girls in the long run. That's TV land and then cognitive dissonance. All men eventionally show they are just like any other guy - a primate with computer skills.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Absolutely NOT!
There are some fabulous, amazing, wonderful, incredible men... I know a bunch of them! ;-)
I think some guys go with the "all men are like this" idea to excuse their behavior... it just isn't so.
:-)
~dancer~
"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj
I don't like guys like that - they hurt girls in the long run. That's TV land and then cognitive dissonance. All men eventually show they are just like any other guy - a primate with computer skills.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Absolutely NOT!
There are some fabulous, amazing, wonderful, incredible men... I know a bunch of them! ;-)
I think some guys go with the "all men are like this" idea to excuse their behavior... it just isn't so.
:-)
~dancer~
yea - I agree as maybe I spoke to soon. It's just I'm the only boy in the family with four sisters and three out of four have been hurt by weasels.
I think it a good thing to remind ourselves of the value of treating others with respect, and this whether it be in discussions with the opposite sex or with people of differing political views or diverse religious views.
I have found that those online discussion boards that foster a general culture of respect, tend not to have a need for threads such as this.
On those boards where disrespect towards one group or another is allowed or encouraged, eventually the disrespect becomes indiscriminate and all parties may at times be the object of offense.
However, I have found that even with boards that attempt to foster a culture of respect, that different people will have different ideas of what is respectful and disrespectful, particularly in matters of humor. In such cases it helps when each party develops a healthy sensitivity towards negative affects on others and a healthy insensativety in letting things negatively affect themselves.
wenglund wrote:I think it a good thing to remind ourselves of the value of treating others with respect, and this whether it be in discussions with the opposite sex or with people of differing political views or diverse religious views.
I have found that those online discussion boards that foster a general culture of respect, tend not to have a need for threads such as this.
On those boards where disrespect towards one group or another is allowed or encouraged, eventually the disrespect becomes indiscriminate and all parties may at times be the object of offense.
However, I have found that even with boards that attempt to foster a culture of respect, that different people will have different ideas of what is respectful and disrespectful, particularly in matters of humor. In such cases it helps when each party develops a healthy sensitivity towards negative affects on others and a healthy insensativety in letting things negatively affect themselves.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
I agree with everything you state, actually. Here's my deal though, if it's not funny to call your mother a slut you can assume I don't appreciate it, either. I was pretty shocked when harmony was called a cunt on this board and Charity called certain names. The men here disrespect women often -- lots of them are ex-mos.
So, what to do? I can continue to laugh it off or say something. I usually say something. I will now say something if someone says something to me I don't appreciate. No harm there, I think?
~edited to add~
I need to make a distinction here. There are men here that I think VERY highly of that are flirty with me -- I'm talking about the sort of stuff I get in PMs (from certain ones) and from certain posters on this site.
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wenglund wrote:I think it a good thing to remind ourselves of the value of treating others with respect, and this whether it be in discussions with the opposite sex or with people of differing political views or diverse religious views.
I have found that those online discussion boards that foster a general culture of respect, tend not to have a need for threads such as this.
On those boards where disrespect towards one group or another is allowed or encouraged, eventually the disrespect becomes indiscriminate and all parties may at times be the object of offense.
However, I have found that even with boards that attempt to foster a culture of respect, that different people will have different ideas of what is respectful and disrespectful, particularly in matters of humor. In such cases it helps when each party develops a healthy sensitivity towards negative affects on others and a healthy insensativety in letting things negatively affect themselves.
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Balderdash. ZLMB fostered nothing but respect for allsides, and that's where that thread came from.
Soooo....in your definition here, a "good guy" isn't someone that works hard to provide for his family, loves his wife and kids, but might have an off-color sense of humor?
It's the romantic that woos you endlessly with chocolates and poetry and long walks on the beach, and never has an impure thought or speaks raucously???
Yeeeeeeah....and the perfect woman has 34-28-32 dimensions, thick dark curly hair and smooth supple skin.
Methinks you all watch a bit too much Hollywood...
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
Scottie wrote:Soooo....in your definition here, a "good guy" isn't someone that works hard to provide for his family, loves his wife and kids, but might have an off-color sense of humor?
It's the romantic that woos you endlessly with chocolates and poetry and long walks on the beach, and never has an impure thought or speaks raucously???
Yeeeeeeah....and the perfect woman has 34-28-32 dimensions, thick dark curly hair and smooth supple skin.
Methinks you all watch a bit too much Hollywood...
Who are you talking to? Me?
A good guy is a man that doesn't intentionally cause harm to people just because he can. It's fairly simple, to me.
An impure thought? What the hell is an impure thought? Sex?
I don't want a man that doesn't have impure thoughts! It's the way he treats me that will determine if he gets to see my impure thoughts.
~Edited to add~
I don't think people fall into neat categories of bad and good people necessarily. I see a lot of people that are rather angry on this website. I understand it and recognize it. Doesn't mean I'm going to sit back and pretend something doesn't bother me when it does.
Scottie wrote:Soooo....in your definition here, a "good guy" isn't someone that works hard to provide for his family, loves his wife and kids, but might have an off-color sense of humor?
It's the romantic that woos you endlessly with chocolates and poetry and long walks on the beach, and never has an impure thought or speaks raucously???
Yeeeeeeah....and the perfect woman has 34-28-32 dimensions, thick dark curly hair and smooth supple skin.
Methinks you all watch a bit too much Hollywood...
Who are you talking to? Me?
A good guy is a man that doesn't intentionally cause harm to people just because he can. It's fairly simple, to me.
An impure thought? What the hell is an impure thought? Sex?
I don't want a man that doesn't have impure thoughts! It's the way he treats me that will determine if he gets to see my impure thoughts.
To quote you earlier...
Yet, when men have ever courted me they were GENTLEMAN. They read poetry to me, they walked around the parks with me, swung on swings (STEUSS!!:), stared at me and listened to me blather... NEVER was I approached with a man making a sexualized comment to me that I would become interested in. That's not what does it for me, I recoil, actually. The men that hooted and hollered at me (in whatever way) were the ones I ran from.
So which is it?? I'm confused here.
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo