bcspace wrote:When you think about it, all crime is hate crime. However, the scriptures teach us that to make such distinctions bewteen "hate crimes" and non "hate crimes" is contrary to the gospel. For example.....
7 Now there was no law against a man’s belief; for it was strictly contrary to the commands of God that there should be a law which should bring men on to unequal grounds.
8 For thus saith the scripture: Choose ye this day, whom ye will serve.
9 Now if a man desired to serve God, it was his privilege; or rather, if he believed in God it was his privilege to serve him; but if he did not believe in him there was no law to punish him.
10 But if he murdered he was punished unto death; and if he robbed he was also punished; and if he stole he was also punished; and if he committed adultery he was also punished; yea, for all this wickedness they were punished.
11 For there was a law that men should be judged according to their crimes. Nevertheless, there was no law against a man’s belief; therefore, a man was punished only for the crimes which he had done; therefore all men were on equal grounds.
Alma 30
Sad. Just sad.
So what you are saying is that vandalism is the same as spraying hate speech on someones house? Contemplate the level of victimhood here and learn to stop thinking in a simplistic low minded fashion.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
So what you are saying is that vandalism is the same as spraying hate speech on someones house? Contemplate the level of victimhood here and learn to stop thinking in a simplistic low minded fashion.
Should the law punish people because of their beliefs? Does wallowing in victimhood pay your welfare check?
And now that my soul might have joy in you, and that my heart might leave this world with gladness because of you, that I might not be brought down with grief and sorrow to the grave, arise from the dust, my sons, and be men, and be determined in bone mind and in one heart, united in all things, that ye may not come down into captivity;
Awake, my sons; put on the armor of righteousness. Shake off the chains with which ye are bound, and come forth out of obscurity, and arise from the dust.
"We of this Church do not rely on any man-made statement concerning the nature of Deity. Our knowledge comes directly from the personal experience of Joseph Smith." - Gordon B. Hinckley
"It's wrong to criticize leaders of the Mormon Church even if the criticism is true." - Dallin H. Oaks
So what you are saying is that vandalism is the same as spraying hate speech on someones house? Contemplate the level of victimhood here and learn to stop thinking in a simplistic low minded fashion.
Should the law punish people because of their beliefs? Does wallowing in victimhood pay your welfare check?
And now that my soul might have joy in you, and that my heart might leave this world with gladness because of you, that I might not be brought down with grief and sorrow to the grave, arise from the dust, my sons, and be men, and be determined in bone mind and in one heart, united in all things, that ye may not come down into captivity;
Awake, my sons; put on the armor of righteousness. Shake off the chains with which ye are bound, and come forth out of obscurity, and arise from the dust.
If a violent act is driven by bigotry they should be prosecuted to a higher extent than a typical juvenile vandal spraypainting gang signs on someones house.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
bcspace wrote:Should the law punish people because of their beliefs? Does wallowing in victimhood pay your welfare check?
I firmly disagree with your interpretation of the text, as we have discussed before.
Intent is already recognized in legal proceedings. For example, there is a difference between involuntary manslaughter and 1st degree murder. There is a good reason for that. The outcome may be the same, but the intent is not. Hence the difference.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Mercury wrote:If a violent act is driven by bigotry they should be prosecuted to a higher extent than a typical juvenile vandal spraypainting gang signs on someones house.
Agreed.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
I don't agree to that extent. Why don't we just set one standard for the crime? Who cares why they did it? Remove their thumbs so they can't use a spray can. That'll fix 'em.
Coach T wrote:I don't agree to that extent. Why don't we just set one standard for the crime? Who cares why they did it? Remove their thumbs so they can't use a spray can. That'll fix 'em.
It's possible to operate a spray can without a thumb. I've seen a guy do it.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Coach T wrote:I don't agree to that extent. Why don't we just set one standard for the crime? Who cares why they did it? Remove their thumbs so they can't use a spray can. That'll fix 'em.
It's possible to operate a spray can without a thumb. I've seen a guy do it.
You and me both, brother.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
