John Larsen wrote:It's just irrelevant parsing. Does anyone really misunderstand? In what way do you think they are going to misunderstand it? It is something like this:
Ed: Let's take your car to the park Fred: Technically speaking, it's not a car it's a sedan. Ed: Fine. Whatever.
Technically speaking polygyny is a subset of polygamy so every instance of plygyny is, in fact, an instance of polygamy. Point this difference out is completely meaningless.
When I initiate a conversation or enter one regarding the practice, I call it Plural marriage as I consider it the most accurate term. Unless I'm discussing the distinctions between the words (such as in this thread) I wouldn't bother with correcting someone using a different term.
To me it is as annoying as the guy who in every Priesthood meeting about wealth or finances always chimes in a defensive and weaselly voice to point out that it is, 'the love of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.' That you feel the need to point it out endlessly makes you a pedantic git or someone who feels VERY guilty about something in their financial life.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
John Larsen wrote:It's just irrelevant parsing. Does anyone really misunderstand? In what way do you think they are going to misunderstand it? It is something like this:
Ed: Let's take your car to the park Fred: Technically speaking, it's not a car it's a sedan. Ed: Fine. Whatever.
Technically speaking polygyny is a subset of polygamy so every instance of plygyny is, in fact, an instance of polygamy. Point this difference out is completely meaningless.
When I initiate a conversation or enter one regarding the practice, I call it Plural marriage as I consider it the most accurate term. Unless I'm discussing the distinctions between the words (such as in this thread) I wouldn't bother with correcting someone using a different term.
To me it is as annoying as the guy who in every Priesthood meeting about wealth or finances always chimes in a defensive and weaselly voice to point out that it is, 'the love of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.' That you feel the need to point it out endlessly makes you a pedantic git or someone who feels VERY guilty about something in their financial life.
The Nehor wrote:To me it is as annoying as the guy who in every Priesthood meeting about wealth or finances always chimes in a defensive and weaselly voice to point out that it is, 'the love of money that is the root of all evil, not money itself.' That you feel the need to point it out endlessly makes you a pedantic git or someone who feels VERY guilty about something in their financial life.
Or, like the young woman that points out that you are NOT a licked cupcake, you are a human being, and the atonement covers you completely.
Nothing like those annoying gits that make sure that no undue guilt is placed on the members. Bastards.
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I think polygamy is the correct term to be used when discussing this issue. Polygamy = polygyny and polyandry. Joseph Smith was sealed to other men's wives. These women, therefore, were in a polyandrous relationship.
silentkid wrote:I think polygamy is the correct term to be used when discussing this issue. Polygamy = polygyny and polyandry. Joseph Smith was sealed to other men's wives. These women, therefore, were in a polyandrous relationship.
Scottie wrote:Or, like the young woman that points out that you are NOT a licked cupcake, you are a human being, and the atonement covers you completely.
Nothing like those annoying gits that make sure that no undue guilt is placed on the members. Bastards.
Never heard that one except here. However I'm not a germaphobe and would probably eat a licked cupcake.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
The Nehor wrote:I believe the original distinction comes from Joseph Smith. He always called it plural marriage. Polygamy is an incorrect term. Polygyny better describes what Joseph instituted. However, even that is slightly incorrect as polygyny does not necessarily mean that all the women are married to the man.
Hence, plural marriage.
He did? Where did he call in plural marriage? The only reference I know by Joseph Smith to plural marriage or polygamy is D&C 132. In all the other references that we have related to him he denies practicing having more than one wife.
"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction." -Joseph Smith
Jason Bourne wrote:Can you give me the source for this?
"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction."
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Jason Bourne wrote:Can you give me the source for this?
"The same God that has thus far dictated me and directed me and strengthened me in this work, gave me this revelation and commandment on celestial and plural marriage, and the same God commanded me to obey it. He said to me that unless I accepted it, and introduced it, and practiced it, I, together with my people would be damned and cut off from this time henceforth. We have got to observe it. It is an eternal principle and was given by way of commandment and not by way of instruction." - Prophet Joseph Smith, Contributor, Vol. 5, p. 259
So you got this from another website. You realize that the Contributor was not published during Smith's lifetime, yes? See our friend Wikipedia:
The Contributor was an independent publication associated with the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) between 1879 and 1896. It was a monthly periodical and sought to represent the Young Men's and Young Ladies' Mutual Improvement Associations, the youth organizations of the LDS Church at the time. It was founded by Junius F. Wells, the inaugural head of the YMMIA.
So what is the actual source of the quote? When, where and to whom was this said? You have a second hand source of a second hand quote.
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