The Book of Mormon condemns the Practice of Polygamy.

[_Brackite]

That's good enough for me Brackite.

My impression is that Joseph Smith and his adulterous buddies either never read or forgot much of the Book of Mormon.

Jacob 2 is a discourse upon the subject of chastity. The primary reason the fictitious Jacob was moved to speak was because his people were living the abominable practice of Mormon adultery.

No God and no man needs more than one wife to increase baby production for a society, righteous or otherwise.

The fuzzy math used to attempt to prove otherwise runs parallel to the formulas used to promote MLM - a sub economy of Mormonism.

I don't have much to add, other than to say great post, Brackite!

Hey Bracki! Good to see you again. Just wanted to chime in. You've made some good points, I just wanted to add that when one reads that whole chapter in Jacob it is obvious that polygamy is being condemned. I've read through the justification the Utah Church uses with Jacob and it makes no sense. In order to get this justification the reader has to ignore most of the chapter and focus on one verse. By doing that the Utah Church has taken Jacob out of context to justify a perverse doctrine (or pleasure). The FLDS church has shown us yet again why it is an abomination to God.


RockHeaded

Thanks, Inconceivable, Scottie, and RockHeaded!

Conclusion: The Book of Mormon fully condemns the Practice of Polygamy.

No it doesn't. While you paid lip service to Jacob 2:30, you did not address it or factor it in to a coherent doctrine based on all verses on the subject. Since your interpretation cannot account for it, your interpretation is false. In fact your interpretation absolutely depends on sweeping this verse (and several others) under the rug. In that sense, you're no different from an Evangelical christian.

Yes, The Book of Mormon does indeed fully condemns the Practice of Polygamy.
And Please also notice that the phrase 'raise us seed unto the Lord' does Not mean that the Lord God wants to raise up a more numerous seed. The phrase, 'raise up seed unto the Lord' in the Book of Mormon means that the Lord God wants to raise up a righteous seed; righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God. Lets go through another Scriptural Passage again in the Book of Mormon to more effectively demonstrate my Point here. In Mosiah chapter 15, verses 10-13, the Lord God through the Book of Mormon Prophet Abinadi defines who is the seed of the Lord God. Here is Mosiah chapter 15, verses 10-13:

Mosiah 15:10-13:

[10] And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

[11] Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord -- I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are heirs of the kingdom of God.

[12] For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

[13] Yea, and are not the prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.

(Bold Emphasis Mine.)

[_Inconceivable]

Very eye opening.

Yes, I see it.

Seed is certainly not offspring unless they become children of Christ, essentially. Seed is anyone that accepts Jesus.

The Mormon way of seeing this is that to be born "under the covenant" means to eventually enter the celestial kingdom - an entitlement. Quite the twist.

Recall the quote by Smith regarding lost children, how they would ultimately be saved through the "righteousness" of their parents. He also promised salvation to the families that let him have his way with their daughters. One disgraceful act and you are now a True Follower of Christ.

Was there not a moral father among these people? I would rather be consigned to hell and take the pirate with me than to turn my daughter (or wife) out to such a wicked monster. What man could ever look his daughter or wife in the eyes after selling their souls to a man with the reputation of sleeping with wives and daughters of equally lesser men?

It defies civilization.

And Jacob spoke of such terrible things.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Inc,

Absolutely!

One has to wonder about all those apologists who defend polygamy and look forward to the day.

They have no regard for their wives or daughters. They could care less if their hearts are broken, or their lives are destroyed. So long as they get their harem they are good to go. Really sick, in my opinion.

As I read about those men in the early days of the church, the FLDS men today, and the apologists who defend the practice, I just wonder what goes on in a man's brain and heart that he can believe something that goes against every glimmer of decency, care, and humanity.

Kind of reminds me of Abraham who is revered because he was willing to kill his son.

So twisted. :-(

~dancer~

[_Inconceivable]

This is a little off topic,

but, having read, pondered and prayed about the Book of Mormon over 20 times, wrote paradigms, taught it without using the awful church manuals, read it with my wife and children each morning for years reading it twice through..

There is much good in the Book of Mormon even if it is not about a people that actually lived. Whoever Jacob was or was written by, he was a compationate and loving man. There was something he witnessed in his life that inspired him to write the words he did in Jacob 2.

He took cognizance of the effects of the immorality, particularly husbands attempting to add mistresses into their family unit and justify it by whatever means.

He described the carnage by saying "hearts died, pierced with deep wounds". He spoke of "bad examples".

Read it. It makes sense. Stop taking other peoples word for it. Take the responsibility to ponder the meaning for yourselves.

Joseph Smith did not write Jacob 2. He could not conceptualize such things. He did not understand Jacob.

He was the one Jacob spoke about.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Inc,

Very interesting point, one I had not thought about before.

While I obviously do not think the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be, it does have some good teachings. And you are correct that it does reflect the truth that wives hearts are broken when their husbands have sex with other women (call it what you will).

I was always struck with the general lack of concern for women in the Book of Mormon, I mean they are completely absent with the rare exception of a virtual handful of verses.

As a believer I often wondered why God didn't care enough about women to even acknowledge them, (with a the exception or two).

But generally speaking the message is one of care and concern, for men.

However, as you point out, Jacob clearly does state that taking other wives is an abomination and is extremely hurtful to "His daughters", a belief with which Joseph Smith obviously didn't agree. Combine Joseph Smith's actions with his "revelation" in D&C and it seems clear he had no concern for women at all; very unlike the Book of Mormon.

~dancer~

[_harmony]

Hi Inc,

Very interesting point, one I had not thought about before.

While I obviously do not think the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be, it does have some good teachings. And you are correct that it does reflect the truth that wives hearts are broken when their husbands have sex with other women (call it what you will).

I was always struck with the general lack of concern for women in the Book of Mormon, I mean they are completely absent with the rare exception of a virtual handful of verses.

As a believer I often wondered why God didn't care enough about women to even acknowledge them, (with a the exception or two).

But generally speaking the message is one of care and concern, for men.

However, as you point out, Jacob clearly does state that taking other wives is an abomination and is extremely hurtful to "His daughters", a belief with which Joseph Smith obviously didn't agree. Combine Joseph Smith's actions with his "revelation" in D&C and it seems clear he had no concern for women at all; very unlike the Book of Mormon.

~dancer~

What bothers me the most about this whole issue (and you all know how much this whole thing upsets me), is that our leaders now know of the contradictions, know that God is nowhere in that contradiction, know everything Joseph did, and they still leave Sex 132 in the canon! And that is just unacceptable, just inconceivable (no insult meant, inc)... there is simply no excuse for them.

If a person believes the Book of Mormon to be the word of God, then there is no way Sex 132 can also be the word of God.

[_moksha]

For any so inclined:

http://www.law.nyu.edu/journals/legislation/articles/vol5num1/vazquez.pdf

[_Brackite]

This verse still flies in the face of your conclusion, indicating that God can instruct people to live the law of plural marriage.

I'm with Brackite on this. He has done an excellent job showing how the Book of Mormon clearly states polygamy is an abomination and should not be practiced.

However, EVEN if we go with the apologetic that God can command polygamy there is NEVER any retraction that polygamy is an abomination. It clearly states it breaks the hearts of His daughters.

How much more clear can scripture be?

It is an abomination. Whether one wants to argue that God can command it or not (I personally find this argument silly), Jesus said is AN ABOMINATION and it breaks the hearts of women.

These LDS guys who are jumping at the bit and rationalizing their dream for multiple girls and women seem to forget that Jesus Christ himself (if they actually believe in their scriptures), stated their fantasy is an abomination and will break the hearts of their wives and daughters. Seems they do not care. :-(


~dancer~

Hello Truth Dancer,

Yes, You are totally very right and 100% correct about the Lord God of the Book of Mormon, Never giving any retraction that Polygamy is an Abomination. The Practice of Polygamy is referred to as being abominable and/or as an abomination in the Revelation from the Lord God given through the Book of Mormon Prophet Jacob, in Jacob Chapter Two, Verses 23-33, Three times. Here are these three times that the Lord God through His Book of Mormon Prophet Jacob, in Jacob Chapter Two, Verses 23-33, in which He Refers to Polygamy as being abominable, and/or also as an abomination:

Jacob 2:

[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

[28] For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

[31] For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.