He was speaking as a man, not a prophet

[_Yoda]

Now I have to go try to figure out which monk I am.

Hmmmm....maybe both? ;)

[_LifeOnaPlate]

Maybe you're the one with the smooth thighs?

[_The Nehor]

Is it really a matter of [spiritual?] power? What about member-sanctioned creativity?

In other words, not only do most members not have the power to dictate revelation in a manner akin to D&C, but the prophet doesn't, either.

Why not?

I know, I know: we need to live up to what we have received thus far, and then, perhaps, the heavens will open up again and shower down new revelation.

GC seems rather trite, predictable, and utterly non-prophetic over the last two years (that is, since I've been watching). I could be wrong, since I have a limited knowledge base. But, goodness, have the leaders really been stymied by a lack of divine interaction into talking about sweet pickles gestating in a jar?

Or, the number of earrings in a woman's ear?

Originally, as I understand the situation, the seer was the most important and influential leader in the Church. But, the LDS church has no seers now. Just corporate managers who voice platitudes (that is, as it appears from an admittedly outsider perspective).

Goodness, one of the most theologically-bereft books I've read was penned by Stephen Nadauld, entitled Justification By Faith, which was, despite its title, not really about justification or faith, but more about charts, graphs, and diagrams (that would have been more at home in a boardroom than a theological treatise) detailing the various sinful states (in graphical gray-scale glory) of Latter-day Saints, presumably.

Meh, Nadauld was a GA of the 2nd Council of 70's for some time. And CEO of a dairy coop, author of books on finance and management, etc.

In other words, one prone to expressing himself in charts and graphs.

Not a theologian.

And this is one of my biggest obstacles in accepting the Mormon Church as true: the current leaders appear to just be hand-picked managerial types who've done their time in lower callings.

There's no compelling revelation emanating from SLC these days. Just a steady-as-she-goes corporate mentality.

Who was the last real-life LDS prophet? John Taylor? I dunno.

Chris

If I believed that (which I don't) I would be all the more concerned that I had revelation myself. Why should it stop me? If I believed the General Authorities were abdicating their covenants and callings I really need to work harder to make sure I don't.

[_Scottie]

I wonder by what authority the apologists are able to make claims that prophets were speaking as men, not prophets for any given statement?

Since it's been known in the Latter-day Church since Joseph Smith's time that the FP and Qo12 are of equal authority (D&C 107), you have a way to tell for sure whether or not the Church considers utterances by the prophets as prophetic. See the link in my siggy. You have been able to pin us down on this for many decades and more and yet you refuse to take advantage of it. I wonder why?

Interesting article, BC. I think that this is where a lot of confusion comes in:

With divine inspiration, the First Presidency (the prophet and his two counselors) and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (the second-highest governing body of the Church) counsel together to establish doctrine that is consistently proclaimed in official Church publications.

That, and the fact that it's an editorial comment, not authorized by anyone of power in the LDS church. I give his document ZERO credibility.

[_Scottie]

Now I have to go try to figure out which monk I am.

Hmmmm....maybe both? ;)

I'll meet you at the river, Liz... ;)

[_John Larsen]

Maybe you're the one with the smooth thighs?

You obviously have never seen my thighs.

[_Yoda]

Now I have to go try to figure out which monk I am.

Hmmmm....maybe both? ;)

I'll meet you at the river, Liz... ;)

Awww...you're so sweet. You're always coming to my rescue.

;)