I mean, now that the precedent has been established for taking care of these kinds of problems in the body politic, I say carry it to its logical conclusion. Let's excise the tumor before the malignancy grows any further. It was bad enough to see a Mormon make such a potent play for the presidency this year. If something isn't done soon, it will be too late.
Seriously, what's the big difference between the FLDS and the LDS? Sure, the FLDS sometimes marry off 14 year olds, but the LDS essentially imprison women for life with a program that keeps them bound to childbirth and ignorance. And besides, the deal in Texas isn't about 14 year old (or 16 or whatever) brides at all. I mean, the famous phone call that justified the initial raid was shown to be a hoax before the kids were even separated from their mothers. You don't need a "crime" to justify the good they're doing in Texas. All you need is public acquiescence. And I'm pretty sure we can count on that. Except in Utah of course. You might need a couple National Guard units to help out there. But you could start in Texas right now. They're all ready down there for this sort of thing. And if I'm not mistaken, I think there's a couple hundred thousand Mormons down there, so it would make a good trial run for the rest of the country.
Some Schmo wrote:While I mostly agree with you, the problem is that mainstream moism is more insidious about its brainwashing. That actually makes it the more dangerous evil of the two, because your scenario will never happen, and the victims will just keep piling up.
Gobsmacked.
Indeed. With comments like these, I wonder who is the brainwashed one.
Really? You have to wonder?
God belief is for people who don't want to live life on the universe's terms.
Wheat wrote:Now what we really need is for the government to do the same thing to mainline LDS families. Take those poor kids out of the brainwashing environment until they're 18, and the power of the cult will be destroyed in a single generation.
No.
You'll notice that my sentence read, ". . . This is a whole group of kids who will finally get to experience the outside world and will spend a good chunk of time away from their brainwashing parents. By the time they turn 18, they'll be far better equipped to survive in the outside world and will finally have gained an appreciation for just how aberrant their parents' actions are."
In other words, it's their parents actions that are objectionable, not so much their mere beliefs. The only "brainwashing" that needs to be corrected is that which leads to them thinking that the rape and forced pregnancy of young girls is normal or--God forbid--that it ought to be perpetrated in turn.
If young girls weren't being raped and undergoing forced pregnancies, the extraction wouldn't have been necessary, regardless of any brainwashing.
Don't conflate the two distinct issues.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
The suspected crime is child abuse. You might want to look up the law on it.
(from Dr. Shades)
If young girls weren't being raped and undergoing forced pregnancies, the extraction wouldn't have been necessary, regardless of any brainwashing.
You’re missing the point, entirely. There is no “crime” at the root of what Texas has done. There has been no plaintiff, no defendant identified. There is no violation of any laws that has been asserted. At least not yet.
And that’s the beauty of the whole thing! We have been shown that we can make an entire system of belief responsible for the real or imagined offenses of any of its individual members. Can’t you see the opportunity that this entire series of events is presenting to us – on a silver platter as it were!
I mean, even the ACLU is proving reluctant to step in on this one! Do you realize what that means in terms of the prospects of finally ridding ourselves of the cancer that Joseph Smith introduced into our society? I’m telling you, we need to act on this before anyone starts getting cold feet about taking children from their mothers.
Wheat wrote:You’re missing the point, entirely. There is no “crime” at the root of what Texas has done. There has been no plaintiff, no defendant identified. There is no violation of any laws that has been asserted. At least not yet.
And that’s the beauty of the whole thing! We have been shown that we can make an entire system of belief responsible for the real or imagined offenses of any of its individual members. Can’t you see the opportunity that this entire series of events is presenting to us – on a silver platter as it were!
I mean, even the ACLU is proving reluctant to step in on this one! Do you realize what that means in terms of the prospects of finally ridding ourselves of the cancer that Joseph Smith introduced into our society? I’m telling you, we need to act on this before anyone starts getting cold feet about taking children from their mothers.
Well, the problem would be if you try to take our kids away for no reason we'll shoot you. At least I would.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Wheat wrote:You’re missing the point, entirely. There is no “crime” at the root of what Texas has done. There has been no plaintiff, no defendant identified. There is no violation of any laws that has been asserted. At least not yet.
And that’s the beauty of the whole thing! We have been shown that we can make an entire system of belief responsible for the real or imagined offenses of any of its individual members. Can’t you see the opportunity that this entire series of events is presenting to us – on a silver platter as it were!
I mean, even the ACLU is proving reluctant to step in on this one! Do you realize what that means in terms of the prospects of finally ridding ourselves of the cancer that Joseph Smith introduced into our society? I’m telling you, we need to act on this before anyone starts getting cold feet about taking children from their mothers.
Well, the problem would be if you try to take our kids away for no reason we'll shoot you. At least I would.
What if they gave you a reason?
If there's one thing I've learned from this board, it's that consensual sex with multiple partners is okay unless God commands it. - Abman
I find this place to be hostile toward all brands of stupidity. That's why I like it. - Some Schmo
Depends on if it's a good reason. "You're Mormon" is not a good reason.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
Wheat wrote:Now what we really need is for the government to do the same thing to mainline LDS families. Take those poor kids out of the brainwashing environment until they're 18, and the power of the cult will be destroyed in a single generation.
I hope the above is a joke.
A joke? Why?
I mean, now that the precedent has been established for taking care of these kinds of problems in the body politic, I say carry it to its logical conclusion. Let's excise the tumor before the malignancy grows any further. It was bad enough to see a Mormon make such a potent play for the presidency this year. If something isn't done soon, it will be too late.
Seriously, what's the big difference between the FLDS and the LDS? Sure, the FLDS sometimes marry off 14 year olds, but the LDS essentially imprison women for life with a program that keeps them bound to childbirth and ignorance. And besides, the deal in Texas isn't about 14 year old (or 16 or whatever) brides at all. I mean, the famous phone call that justified the initial raid was shown to be a hoax before the kids were even separated from their mothers. You don't need a "crime" to justify the good they're doing in Texas. All you need is public acquiescence. And I'm pretty sure we can count on that. Except in Utah of course. You might need a couple National Guard units to help out there. But you could start in Texas right now. They're all ready down there for this sort of thing. And if I'm not mistaken, I think there's a couple hundred thousand Mormons down there, so it would make a good trial run for the rest of the country.
While I mostly agree with you, the problem is that mainstream moism is more insidious about its brainwashing. That actually makes it the more dangerous evil of the two, because your scenario will never happen, and the victims will just keep piling up.
All the more reason to act NOW! Texas is showing us the way. We should strike while the iron is hot, or whatever they say. There is never going to be a better opportunity to put an end to the madness. Of course "mainstream moism is more insidious." Everyone here knows that! It's just that you're one of the few who will come right out and admit it. We could at least start by getting rid of all the seminary/institute/brainwashing classes that high school and university students are permitted to engage in. Allowing formal indoctrination of cultish philosophies on the campuses of our institutions of secondary and higher learning is absolutely unconscionable in a modern, pluralistic society like ours. We should follow the Texas example, take the LDS children out of their homes, and then convert their seminary and institute buildings into "reprogramming" centers where we can, in an institutional setting, begin to reverse the years of indoctrination they have received at the hands of their brainwashed parents. Offer all the kids an iPod and 100 free iTunes downloads at the end of the course, and they'll be filling the seats voluntarily. These kids want to escape, they just need to be given a good opportunity. Like the one Texas is giving the FLDS kids right now.
That scenario is the masturbation fantasy of every Mormon in existence. Mormons are masochists, they feed off of chances to play victim. It is ingrained into them to feel persecuted, like the loser who has loser parents constantly crying that they were abused and can't get a normal life because they are used to getting attention via continual uttering of the pain they lived.
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Mercury wrote:That scenario is the masturbation fantasy of every Mormon in existence. Mormons are masochists, they feed off of chances to play victim. It is ingrained into them to feel persecuted, like the loser who has loser parents constantly crying that they were abused and can't get a normal life because they are used to getting attention via continual uttering of the pain they lived.
Edit: I have no desire to fight a defensive war to protect my children.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo