Mormon Church, wrong again re masturbation
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I think the craziest thing is having lived in a culture where everyone masturbates but deny they do it. Dishonesty likely causes more emotional distress than masturbation. I can remember at fourteen, after spending a day looking at girls in tight pants, tube tops and listening to guys saying they were screwing their girlsfriends - I sprinted home from school to get to the bathroom.
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Re: Mormon Church, wrong again re masturbation
The Nehor wrote:beastie wrote:Men who frequently masturbate appear to have a lower risk of developing prostate cancer, Australian researchers have reported.
Researchers from the Cancer Council of Victoria found that men who masturbated more than five times each week were a third less likely to develop the cancer.
The study surveyed 1,000 men who developed prostate cancer and 1,250 men who did not, between the ages of 20 and 50, it is reported by PlanetOut.
Researchers told the BBC last week that the prostate produces one of the fluids involved in ejaculation and that frequent masturbation appears to flush out carcinogens.
Sexual intercourse may not have the same effect because it increases the risk of contracting a sexually transmitted disease, which could raise the risk of cancer, it is reported.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352276,00.html
Solution: Have lots and lots of sex with an undiseased partner. Got it.

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beastie wrote:Solution: Have lots and lots of sex with an undiseased partner. Got it.
I can tell YOU'VE never been married.
True, but I believe in setting goals.
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5 times a week huh?...Hey...I'm on the fast track to no prostate cancer. Yeah!
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The Nehor wrote:beastie wrote:Solution: Have lots and lots of sex with an undiseased partner. Got it.
I can tell YOU'VE never been married.
True, but I believe in setting goals.
I would wait until the other half of the relationship states she is willing to chafe from aforementioned sexual schedule.
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Some Schmo wrote:Yep, I masturbate to stay healthy.
I pity the fools who think there's something inherently wrong with it. Nobody has ever provided a single good reason to abstain; certainly not one that wasn't based on a myth (which wouldn’t constitute a good reason anyway). What a waste of a perfectly good penis.
I've heard guys say something they likely think is manly, like, "I don't need to masturbate, if you know what I mean." Well, I don't strictly need to either. I like it. And no, I don't know what you mean... what, you're missing a testicle or two?
I'd be real surprised if many married couples were doing it 5 times a week. Life's too hectic and tiring (and with teenagers, they're up until God knows when just outside the door slumming on the computer in the loft).
Masturbation is a quite useful tool to regulate one's sexual impulses, especially when life intrudes on a couple's sex life or one partner's sex drive exceeds the other's, or one partner travels a lot, so opportunities are limited, etc.
Masturbation has probably done more than just about anything else to help keep couples faithful to each other. The sex drive needs an outlet one way or the other, and masturbation is a harmless, pleasurable outlet when the real thing is not available (and particularly if one wants to remain committed to his/her partner).
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Actually, it has to be SIX times a week to get the benefit (the article says "more than five times"... and I would guess half doesn't count).
I already cited one study clearly stating that the norm for married people is once or twice a week. (and far less for some poor souls).
Anyone who thinks that married life will reasonably consist of sex six times a week is living in a fantasy land. The LDS believers here are simply using that as a means to avoid admitting the obvious: that, once again, the LDS church simply got it flat-out wrong.
I already cited one study clearly stating that the norm for married people is once or twice a week. (and far less for some poor souls).
Anyone who thinks that married life will reasonably consist of sex six times a week is living in a fantasy land. The LDS believers here are simply using that as a means to avoid admitting the obvious: that, once again, the LDS church simply got it flat-out wrong.
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beastie wrote:Actually, it has to be SIX times a week to get the benefit (the article says "more than five times"... and I would guess half doesn't count).
Looks like I'm going to have to step up my CPP (chemotherapy prevention program).
beastie wrote:Anyone who thinks that married life will reasonably consist of sex six times a week is living in a fantasy land. The LDS believers here are simply using that as a means to avoid admitting the obvious: that, once again, the LDS church simply got it flat-out wrong.
Has the church ever made a specific statement on the actual physical healthfulness of masturbation though? I mean, we knew they were wrong about it when the claim was made that it led to homosexuality, but I don't ever really remember them talking about it in terms of a health risk. I obviously could be wrong about that (which is why I'm asking).
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Masturbation is not physically necessary. There is already a way by which the male system relieves excessive spermatic fluid quite regularly through the nocturnal emission or wet dream. Monthly menstrual flow expels the female’s egg and cleanses the womb. For both sexes, physical or emotional tensions can be released by vigorous activity. Thus, in a biological sense, masturbation for either gender is not necessary. In a gospel sense, it is a sin: “Masturbation, a rather common indiscretion, is not approved of the Lord nor of His Church regardless of what may have been said by others whose ‘norms’ are lower. Latter-day Saints are urged to avoid this practice” (Spencer W. Kimball, Love Versus Lust, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year [Provo, 5 Jan. 1965], p. 22).
http://LDS.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnex ... RD&locale=
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I guess you could parse about what they mean by "physically necessary". I would think that if something weren't "physically necessary" then it would not be physically beneficial.
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