Coggins7 wrote: John McWhorter had been in the forefront of a critique of the cult of victimolgy that is key in understanding the disproportionate social pathologies afflicting American Blacks. You seem to be arguing passed me here and not to really have understood McWhorter's argument.
OMG! You are such a doofus sometimes, Coggins. I agree the victim mentality IS the key to understanding what is going on. Understanding why there is a victim mentality and where that stems from is essential -- it doesn't mean that the thoughts are "accurate" or even "true" -- merely they EXIST. What world do you live in where you can't comprehend what I write?? That it EXISTS does not mean that I embrace it -- it means I RECOGNIZE it.
What the hell are you rambling on about???
That was my question to you.
Well, I asked first! And here it is again: What the hell are you rambling on about???
And, in any case, this is not learned helplessness in the strict psychological sense of the term. A large sub-cultural element of people who have been propagandized and indoctrinated to believe something that other clear evidence and facts around them indicate is not really the case is not so much a question of learned helplessness (they have not really learned it through experience) as of the power of indoctrination and the appeal to the externalization of responsibility for life circumstances and in-group solidarity against "them"; those who are blamed for personal and collective failure in a larger cultural context.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
Vatican letter directs bishops to keep parish records from Mormons
By Chaz Muth
Catholic News Service
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah...
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I wonder if Mr. Peterson will now have to meet with some Catholics and tell them that if they continue to resist Mormon attempts to baptize their ancestors they might lose Mormon goodwill?
So. Now that we have Catholics coming out against Mormon dead-dunking, along with Jewish extremists resisting, at what point will Mormons begin to respect others' beliefs and honor them by not dead-dunking their ancestors without consent?
Coggins7 wrote:And perhaps then you could expand upon your thesis here in greater detail, especially regarding what "really" animates the positions taken by these eminent black intellectuals (what you claim you think animates my positions is just another of your standard evasions. Care to actually debate an issue Trevor?).
Have you read any of Sowell's major works on this issue, such as Race and Culture, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, or his essays and articles available at Hoover and in the Hoover Digest?
Since you never did so, I have no obligation to do so. And, I do not care to debate politics with you, Coggins. Why you can't get that through your thick skull is beyond me. As I have said many times before, take it elsewhere.
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Coggins7 wrote:And perhaps then you could expand upon your thesis here in greater detail, especially regarding what "really" animates the positions taken by these eminent black intellectuals (what you claim you think animates my positions is just another of your standard evasions. Care to actually debate an issue Trevor?).
Have you read any of Sowell's major works on this issue, such as Race and Culture, Black Rednecks and White Liberals, or his essays and articles available at Hoover and in the Hoover Digest?
Since you never did so, I have no obligation to do so. And, I do not care to debate politics with you, Coggins. Why you can't get that through your thick skull is beyond me. As I have said many times before, take it elsewhere.
I see. You're quite out of your league here, as to the relevant homework, is that correct?
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
Coggins7 wrote:I see. You're quite out of your league here, as to the relevant homework, is that correct?
I have not done all of this background reading, no. There is no sense in pretending to be an expert on everything. Most people here, however, are here to discuss Mormonism--not contemporary politics. That is what I am here to do, and I feel up to the task in just about every way. If you want to debate race in modern politics on this level, go to the appropriate venue.
Mind you, were I to read all of this material, I would probably conclude something quite different from what you have. It takes more than reading to come to sound conclusions, Coggins, although it admittedly does not hurt. Where you fall down is in the quality of your thought, not in the amount of effort you have put into your study.
Where you fall down is in the quality of your thought, not in the amount of effort you have put into your study.
Given that which you seem to deem as quality thought, I am encouraged more than ever to continue in my journey.
Thanks for the support.
I have confidence that someday you will be able to put together a greater number of coherent thoughts and actually come to some sound conclusions. You are certainly possessed of the requisite native intelligence. What you lack is sufficient training. I would recommend more formal education, and you can even go to a place where you might take classes from someone whose thoughts accord well with your own, like, say, William Kristol, or maybe Darth Cheney, if he chooses to school aspiring corporate neo-cons in the Dark Arts of rape, pillage, and plunder, while wearing a sanctimonious expression.
I have confidence that someday you will be able to put together a greater number of coherent thoughts and actually come to some sound conclusions. You are certainly possessed of the requisite native intelligence. What you lack is sufficient training. I would recommend more formal education, and you can even go to a place where you might take classes from someone whose thoughts accord well with your own, like, say, William Kristol, or maybe Darth Cheney, if he chooses to school aspiring corporate neo-cons in the Dark Arts of rape, pillage, and plunder, while wearing a sanctimonious expression.
I'll let this stand as mute testimony to your conception of "quality of thought" as over against my own.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
