American Idol for Gods

[_Mister Scratch]

There are actually some good points here from TD and amantha. I would be interested in hearing Coggins explain away the elitism present in such doctrines as the 2nd Anointing. What is the point in being tested on Earth if you are going to get a free pass from the GAs? Further, the wealth and filial hierarchies within the institutional Church add another layer of complexity ont the whole thing.

[_truth dancer]

Hey Loran,

OK lets see how I do tonight.

Meanie, stupid head, liar liar pants on fire! :-)

Hostility? Nope, no hostility at all, especially not toward God. I do tire of men pretending and claiming they are God, or channeling God, or receiving the power of God, or speaking for God; or excusing their less than holy behavior by blaming God. ;-)

I know that makes me a lazy, stupid liar. (smile)

Rather than do the whole name calling thing, (it really is sort of silly), why not address the topic of the thread?



~dancer~

[_amantha]

The "Plan" is really just a pretense. God knows who will end up where. There is no need for a "test".

The church has always (as far as I know), taught there are a few chosen, special spirits who will return to inherit the CKHL.

Nothing about good, kind, loving people... just the ones God wants back.

The plan has nothing to do with goodness or love... I mean seriously we are talking about a God/man who cast out 1/3 of His spirit children right off the bat. The rest, well, with the exception of the chosen few, will end up without their families, without loved ones, without God.

Nope, not a plan of love.

I could, quite literally, teach a fruit monkey more about the Gospel in five minuets then you've learned in your entire adult life time. How long, really, will such illimitable vacuousness continue?

Is it that you are really a pathological liar, like some others here, or is it the dark, Stygian hostility you feel toward the things of God that drives you to such incoherence?


I'd normally say, "keep up the pose" after a mind bending interlude such as this, but I don't think you're even aware of what your doing anymore.

Wow! I do believe I have struck a nerve here. All you have is ad hominem and hyperbole. I have no hostility toward the "things of God." That would be ridiculous. "The Plan of Salvation" is a man-made contrivance and your adherence to it shows the paucity of your own vision. I enjoy some of your creativity in your satirical poems. Let go of the creativity of other men (i.e. Joseph Smith, et al) and spend your energy on your own creativity.

[Dr. Sunstoned]

There are actually some good points here from TD and amantha. I would be interested in hearing Coggins explain away the elitism present in such doctrines as the 2nd Anointing. What is the point in being tested on Earth if you are going to get a free pass from the GAs? Further, the wealth and filial hierarchies within the institutional Church add another layer of complexity ont the whole thing.

Deleted this part, and it was painful to do so.

[_amantha]

There's nothing to address Amantha. You're claims about what you term 'the plan of salvation" is no more worth responding to than Jeremiah Wright's claims that the United States government created AIDS to exterminate Black people, or that Jesus was a poor black man tormented by rich white Italians.

See you in the saucer...

So don't address it. Leave the thread. Your ad hominem is repulsive. I am making a fair criticism of an idea, not people. Address the idea or get lost.

[_Coggins7]

Hey Loran,

OK lets see how I do tonight.

Meanie, stupid head, liar liar pants on fire! :-)

Hostility? Nope, no hostility at all, especially not toward God. I do tire of men pretending and claiming they are God, or channeling God, or receiving the power of God, or speaking for God; or excusing their less than holy behavior by blaming God. ;-)

I know that makes me a lazy, stupid liar. (smile)

Rather than do the whole name calling thing, (it really is sort of silly), why not address the topic of the thread?



~dancer~

OK, perhaps its your pathological ignorance that is the problem, not pathological lying. I'm alright with that.

[_Coggins7]

The "Plan" is really just a pretense. God knows who will end up where. There is no need for a "test".

The church has always (as far as I know), taught there are a few chosen, special spirits who will return to inherit the CKHL.

Nothing about good, kind, loving people... just the ones God wants back.

The plan has nothing to do with goodness or love... I mean seriously we are talking about a God/man who cast out 1/3 of His spirit children right off the bat. The rest, well, with the exception of the chosen few, will end up without their families, without loved ones, without God.

Nope, not a plan of love.

I could, quite literally, teach a fruit monkey more about the Gospel in five minuets then you've learned in your entire adult life time. How long, really, will such illimitable vacuousness continue?

Is it that you are really a pathological liar, like some others here, or is it the dark, Stygian hostility you feel toward the things of God that drives you to such incoherence?


I'd normally say, "keep up the pose" after a mind bending interlude such as this, but I don't think you're even aware of what your doing anymore.

Wow! I do believe I have struck a nerve here. All you have is ad hominem and hyperbole. I have no hostility toward the "things of God." That would be ridiculous. "The Plan of Salvation" is a man-made contrivance and your adherence to it shows the paucity of your own vision. I enjoy some of your creativity in your satirical poems. Let go of the creativity of other men (I.e. Joseph Smith, et al) and spend your energy on your own creativity.

No, you didn't strike a nerve. This thread is a common type among the outer fringes of the exmo fever swamps. Its value lies not in the nerves it strikes so much as that its a kind of literary corollary to a gory car accident. Its interesting because of its bizarre, disorienting nature.

A policeman, not wanting to injure the fragile psyches of small children would wave you on saying, "move along, nothing to see here".

[_Coggins7]

So don't address it. Leave the thread. Your ad hominem is repulsive. I am making a fair criticism of an idea, not people. Address the idea or get lost.

You are not making anything approaching a "fair criticism" on an idea. It is the very fact that your own ideas are bizarre, disoriented, irrational, and incoherent with regard to actual Church teachings is the point. Your positions on the Church here are of a similar kind as those expressed by Jeremiah Wright on race or by Ward Churchill on national security issues. Or, if you would like to discuss alien abduction, we are still in the same genre.

[_Coggins7]

Your ad hominem is repulsive.

And a completely appropriate response to an entirely repulsive thread that insults the intelligence while it masks vacuous bigotry as an exercise in "ideas".

Address the idea or get lost.

Give us an idea worth addressing, or get lost.

[_amantha]

No, you didn't strike a nerve. This thread is a common type among the outer fringes of the exmo fever swamps. Its value lies not in the nerves it strikes so much as that its a kind of literary corollary to a gory car accident. Its interesting because of its bizarre, disorienting nature.

A policeman, not wanting to injure the fragile psyches of small children would wave you on saying, "move along, nothing to see here".

I agree that the Plan of Salvation reads bizarre when you really stop to think about its true nature. The policeman (authority figure) is an interesting choice in your analogy. The authority figures do not want people to realize that what they are witnessing is a freak show and not a warm loving plan of happiness. The idea of the philosopher king has just that purpose -- to protect the "fragile psyches" of the small children in their charge saying, "move along, nothing to see here." And like the shadow on the cave wall, the crafty stories of potentially well-meaning leaders can be disorienting and bizarre when seen from a new direction. I imagine the best way to cope with that, at least initially, is through ridicule and denial.

Wake up!