It is amazing that so many of them cannot tell the difference between an intellectual disagreement and fraud. It shows how corrupted their logical thought process as become. It does help preserve their siege mentality--for they are obviously surrounded by enemies who are out to get them through lies lies lies!
Amen, John. Amen and amen.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Didn't Tal specifically say "stop"?
Are you really that mentally confused?
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Didn't Tal specifically say "stop"?
Are you really that mentally confused?
I might be missing what you are discussing. My point is that Tal told Keyes to drop the issue when he said "Please do us both a favour now, and stop" after essentially threatening to reveal certain information. I'm sorry if I misunderstood what the discussion was about. I meant nothing other than to make that particular point.
*edited to say: I think I see. BCSpace was saying Tal told Keyes to "shut up" and you disagree.
To be sure, I, with you, disagree with the "shut up" view; but I see what Tal actually did say as something much worse than a simple "shut up."
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
I just want to add my voice to those who encourage you to refrain from battling it out with the SP. Don't judge the average person's assessment of your honesty by the apologists. I think most people, even when they do not agree with everything you did here, will seriously doubt that you completely fabricated this. It adds nothing to your case to add more stunning revelations. Keyes has had his say, and I think you should allow him to do what he felt necessary to protect what is important to him in his life. He is satisfying the people who need to believe him. Others who lack these specific interests will understand what he is doing and why. Remember how and why Isaac Hayes left South Park. I think you get the picture.
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“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
No I don't think Tal should say he misunderstood, that would be a lie. But he just needs to say that his memory is different and apologize for saying anything which may have offended Keyes as he has no ill feelings for him and as it wasn't his intention.
Read again what Analytics suggested--not that Bachman say he misunderstood, but that he may have misunderstood. It's a sorry and arrogant fellow who cannot admit that they may have misunderstood something someone else said.
The problem is Tal is certain, he didn't misunderstand. He'd have to lie if he made some comment that maybe he misunderstood and he doesn't need to do that anyhow. He just needs to back off and let the other guy know he understands what's going on. Tal truly does like Keyes and Keyes does sound like a really nice guy. The vast majority in Keyes position would not have been honest with him. He gave Tal something that few would have. He let Tal know there are some sane and honest people in the world of Mormonism. Tal could give something back by apologizing for making their comments public, but he does't need to lie while doing so.
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:To be sure, I, with you, disagree with the "shut up" view; but I see what Tal actually did say as something much worse than a simple "shut up."
I think the optimal outcome here is that both sides (Tal and Keyes) drop it. Water under the bridge.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
You don't understand: I feel totally indebted to Pres. Keyes. The guy threw me a lifeline when I felt I was about to be crushed by a giant avalanche (oops, mixed metaphor ha ha). He's free to email me whenever he wants, and I'll talk to him as long as he wants.
He made me realize finally I wasn't crazy or posessed; he gave me a peek, remarkably from inside the safety of the bubble, into "the world outside the bubble", and helped me realize that it was okay - that I could survive in it. And he did the same for my wife a week later, in her private meeting with him. My wife and I actually considered going to him a few months ago when we thought we needed some outside counseling help to come together more fully. That's what the guy means to us.
The irony is that Pres. Keyes is in a situation in which he is all but forced to not lay claim to do something heroic for me and my wife, and our whole family. He told the truth; he revealed himself; within the bubble of Mormonism, he was - is - a hero. But his circumstances force him to deny or evade that. Sad.
Sad?
No it ain't. Because it is his fault to succumb to the advices of mental midgets of APOLOGETICS. They proved over & over creating dumbest scenes. They are their worst enemy.
It is not sad/it's a fact; the world belongs to survival of fittest.
This is another example of a long list of F*-ups they have to live with.
Sad? No it ain't. Because it is his fault to succumb to the advices of mental midgets of APOLOGETICS. They proved over & over creating dumbest scenes. They are their worst enemy. It is not sad/it's a fact; the world belongs to survival of fittest. This is another example of a long list of F*-ups they have to live with.
Banal, incoherent, and semi-literate. While not standard in the exmo Borg, even in its more sophisticated manifestations, the pattern remains the same.
Sad.
The face of sin today often wears the mask of tolerance.
Sad? No it ain't. Because it is his fault to succumb to the advices of mental midgets of APOLOGETICS. They proved over & over creating dumbest scenes. They are their worst enemy. It is not sad/it's a fact; the world belongs to survival of fittest. This is another example of a long list of F*-ups they have to live with.
Banal, incoherent, and semi-literate. While not standard in the exmo Borg, even in its more sophisticated manifestations, the pattern remains the same.
Sad.
Hmm....
Mr. Pretend, how many languages can you speak and how much you make?
I think you belong to their class....
Sorry, if I sound spoiled.... You know, I can back it up........
Can you play poker?
OTOH, you're a phoney....but don't let me stop you for being a fool.....