Time for periodic apologies yet again

[_Coggins7]

NO TD, that would not help...

[_Trevor]

Yes, a few of you apparently missed the above, which I herewith extend to the last twelve months.

Never a more hollow gesture have I witnessed.

[_beastie]

to bait me (as Beastie and Trevor are both doing now) back into angry responses.

I'm "baiting" you by reminding of basic LDS teachings that it's necessary to abandon the sin to truly repent???

No wonder you keep having to apologize for the same thing.

by the way, one reason you keep backsliding is that you blame other people for your own bad behavior. You need to take full responsibility for your own behavior, rather than say "you made me do it"!

[_Coggins7]

I'm "baiting" you by reminding of basic LDS teachings that it's necessary to abandon the sin to truly repent???

You've abandoned the Gospel of Jesus Christ altogether, and hence, perhaps are in no position to pontificate on my foibles.

[_Trevor]

You've abandoned the Gospel of Jesus Christ altogether, and hence, perhaps are in no position to pontificate on my foibles.

Most mature human beings are in a position to do so. Whether you are wise enough to listen and act on it is another question.

[_antishock8]

This is actually part of the exit process, guys. The anger is dissonance manifesting itself. He knows he's in a lie, defending a lie, and living a lie (not being true to himself). The natural result is to lash out at those that point it out, or care enough to be honest with him. I hope at some point he'll have that moment when he realizes it's ok to accept that Mormonism isn't what he's trying to make it be: The Truth.

Then what does that say about angry exmo's?

Well, it's normal to be outraged when someone lies to you. So there you have it. Also, a Mormon has a self-imposed standard of conduct of humility or some such nonsense, while an ex-Mormon has rejected whatever social norm you're expecting yourself, and apparently others, to possess.

The anger Coggins feels and acts upon goes in direct contravention of what he is supposed to be, and are the antithesis of the kinds of fruits Mormons say the Gospel should bear. His outburts are simply the result of his internal pressure valve letting off some steam; otherwise something truly awful would most likely happen.

You're gay.

[_Coggins7]

The anger Coggins feels and acts upon goes in direct contravention of what he is supposed to be, and are the antithesis of the kinds of fruits Mormons say the Gospel should bear. His outburts are simply the result of his internal pressure valve letting off some steam; otherwise something truly awful would most likely happen.

No. The anger I feel indicates I'm a human being. Acting upon it improperly is another matter entirely (and one can act upon it appropriately as well).

You just want, like so many other secular critics, Mormons to shut up, lay down, spread their legs, wag their tails, and allow you a free hand to smear, impugn slander, defame, and distort their teachings at will, and you're quite willing to throw around doctrines and teachings you neither respect or understand in order to stack the deck of debate in your favor.

Just who you think you are fooling here, I have no idea.

[_sunstoned]

This is actually part of the exit process, guys. The anger is dissonance manifesting itself. He knows he's in a lie, defending a lie, and living a lie (not being true to himself). The natural result is to lash out at those that point it out, or care enough to be honest with him. I hope at some point he'll have that moment when he realizes it's ok to accept that Mormonism isn't what he's trying to make it be: The Truth.

All kidding aside, I think you are 100% correct. I was in the same boat once. It is nice to be on the other side of that storm.

[_The Nehor]

This is actually part of the exit process, guys. The anger is dissonance manifesting itself. He knows he's in a lie, defending a lie, and living a lie (not being true to himself). The natural result is to lash out at those that point it out, or care enough to be honest with him. I hope at some point he'll have that moment when he realizes it's ok to accept that Mormonism isn't what he's trying to make it be: The Truth.

Then what does that say about angry exmo's?

Well, it's normal to be outraged when someone lies to you. So there you have it. Also, a Mormon has a self-imposed standard of conduct of humility or some such nonsense, while an ex-Mormon has rejected whatever social norm you're expecting yourself, and apparently others, to possess.

The anger Coggins feels and acts upon goes in direct contravention of what he is supposed to be, and are the antithesis of the kinds of fruits Mormons say the Gospel should bear. His outburts are simply the result of his internal pressure valve letting off some steam; otherwise something truly awful would most likely happen.

You're gay.

While that is true and the Gospel brings peace and joy. However, this is not a place where the Gospel thrives. I mean, as crazy as it sounds there is more of that at MADB (though you could starve on the difference). This is a place where the Gospel is reviled, I hardly expect the fruits of it to be brimming here. I know I would probably live my religion better by not being here. Not because of fear of discussion but because of how many people are intentionally trying to anger me here (Scratch, Merc, PP) and the others who anger me by what I perceive to be weak arguments and cheap blaspheming.

If I were gay I most likely would have responded with greater interest to Scratch's and Merc's interest in me. See how mean this board can make people :)

[Guest]

The anger Coggins feels and acts upon goes in direct contravention of what he is supposed to be, and are the antithesis of the kinds of fruits Mormons say the Gospel should bear. His outburts are simply the result of his internal pressure valve letting off some steam; otherwise something truly awful would most likely happen.

No. The anger I feel indicates I'm a human being. Acting upon it improperly is another matter entirely (and one can act upon it appropriately as well).

You just want, like so many other secular critics, Mormons to shut up, lay down, spread their legs, wag their tails, and allow you a free hand to smear, impugn slander, defame, and distort their teachings at will, and you're quite willing to throw around doctrines and teachings you neither respect or understand in order to stack the deck of debate in your favor.

Just who you think you are fooling here, I have no idea.

I don't think the person being fooled here is me, Coggins.