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_truth dancer
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D&C 121: 37
37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.


Gaz, this scripture supports Harmony's assertion that when Joseph Smith started to engage in his despicable behavior (manipulating girls and women for their services, taking the wives of other men, having multiple affairs while married, etc. etc), the heavens withdrew.

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Gaz, this scripture supports Harmony's assertion that when Joseph Smith started to engage in his despicable behavior (manipulating girls and women for their services, taking the wives of other men, having multiple affairs while married, etc. etc), the heavens withdrew.

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Know what I love about this? You and Harmony haven't got clue one as to what your talking about. You see plural marriage (families) as nothing more than a sexual affair or a power grab.

Have you ever even bothered to delve not the Abrahamic covenant? Have you studied the doctrine of Celestial marriage and the covenants and promises involved? have you looked into the doctrines of sacred names and the sealing of the name of Christ upon us and its connection to the sealing of a husband and fathers name upon his wife and children?

At least try to get things started by understanding that the patriarchal nature of the priesthood means that a husband is required by God to work and strive over his family to obtain their salvation, and if he imposes any form of abuse in that then he will be cut off from all of the blessisngs associated with his covenants. A man is saved side by side with those he places his name upon. Salvation is a family affair.

Wrap your head around that, and you will see how dead wrong you are.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Gazelam wrote:Know what I love about this? You and Harmony haven't got clue one as to what your talking about. You see plural marriage (families) as nothing more than a sexual affair or a power grab.


We have a clue, Gaz. We don't agree with your assessment.

Have you ever even bothered to delve not the Abrahamic covenant?


First, you have to prove that Abraham existed, then you have to prove that Abraham made a covenant. You can't do either.

Have you studied the doctrine of Celestial marriage and the covenants and promises involved?


If there was such a thing, we'd have clear records of it, especially as it surrounds Christ. We don't, because it doesn't.

have you looked into the doctrines of sacred names and the sealing of the name of Christ upon us and its connection to the sealing of a husband and fathers name upon his wife and children?


Men, men, and more men. All of them untrustworthy, none of them worthy. And you expect me to believe them? When the leader can't even keep his marriage covenant?

At least try to get things started by understanding that the patriarchal nature of the priesthood means that a husband is required by God to work and strive over his family to obtain their salvation, and if he imposes any form of abuse in that then he will be cut off from all of the blessisngs associated with his covenants.


God isn't patriarchal. God is no respector of persons. God doesn't love his sons more than he loves his daughters.

A man is saved side by side with those he places his name upon. Salvation is a family affair.


No, Gaz. You don't even know the basics of the gospel of Jesus Christ. We are saved alone. We are exalted alone.

Wrap your head around that, and you will see how dead wrong you are.


Read your Book of Mormon, Gaz. The pure gospel of Jesus Christ has nothing to do with the Abomination. God hates the Abomination.
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Guess we'll have to make our first delving into the Book of Abraham a discussion on the Abrahamic Covenant.

Please Harmony go study up on it beforehand so that your postings arent as painfully ignorant as the one above. How could you go to the Temple as often as you claim to and be that uninformed?

How long have you been a member now? How often have you heard the Abrahamic Covenant mentioned?

I don't know whether to pity you or be angry at you.
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Gazelam wrote:Guess we'll have to make our first delving into the Book of Abraham a discussion on the Abrahamic Covenant.

Please Harmony go study up on it beforehand so that your postings aren't as painfully ignorant as the one above. How could you go to the Temple as often as you claim to and be that uninformed?

How long have you been a member now? How often have you heard the Abrahamic Covenant mentioned?

I don't know whether to pity you or be angry at you.


Can you address the subject, please? Your quota of free passes to slam me is filled until the end of 2050.

#1: prove Abraham existed.
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#1: prove Abraham existed


Which of the prophets testimonies would you accept? Will you take Christs? They crucified him for declaring that he spoke to him. (In case you missed that part)
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Is it possible to posthumously prosecute Joseph Smith?
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Know what I love about this? You and Harmony haven't got clue one as to what your talking about. You see plural marriage (families) as nothing more than a sexual affair or a power grab.


Well not exactly.

I think men wanting multiple women more as a throwback to a very primitive, animalistic, sexual strategy. Yes it involves power, control, and using women for sex but underneath that is a very archaic unevolved and unenlightened instinct. We see it in animals.

Have you ever even bothered to delve not the Abrahamic covenant?


Yep... it is reflective of the attitudes of tribal Semites about five thousand years ago. Blessings of God are equated to owning land, women, and possessions. Not exactly holy in my mind.

Have you studied the doctrine of Celestial marriage and the covenants and promises involved?


Yep... all based on men's desire for power, glory, Godhood, and sex. Nothing more. I understand followers of many religions believe their leader is different than the others. To me they are all the same; excusing their base desires with the God excuse. :-(

have you looked into the doctrines of sacred names and the sealing of the name of Christ upon us and its connection to the sealing of a husband and fathers name upon his wife and children?


You have brought this up before. Personally, it really sounds nonsensical to me. I don't mean to be rude but really, the idea of one's name being some sort of ultimate connecting force or something doesn't make much sense at all. Women and children took their husbands and fathers names because they were OWNED by their husband or father.

At least try to get things started by understanding that the patriarchal nature of the priesthood means that a husband is required by God to work and strive over his family to obtain their salvation, and if he imposes any form of abuse in that then he will be cut off from all of the blessings associated with his covenants.


I understand how you and other believers understand the patriarchal nature of the priesthood. Again, it is a way of life started by nomads a few thousand years ago.

A man is saved side by side with those he places his name upon. Salvation is a family affair.


This is nonsense Gaz. I grew up in a family where my parents were not sealed and my father was not a member. Tell me how our family would be saved together. And, yes we all took my father's name.

Tell me how my family is going to be saved as a family while I am not one of the chosen, and yes I took my husband's name.

Really... the name thing is strange. :-)

Wrap your head around that, and you will see how dead wrong you are.


Dead wrong about what?

Polygamy is a throwback to a very primitive animalistic form of sexual selection. Rather than embracing an enlightened and evolved type of partnership that brings forth intimacy, care, connections, depth, and deep love, it removes it all in place of turning men into sperm donors and women into chattel.

The exact opposite of what is holy, decent, civilized, caring, compassionate, or loving.

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truth dancer wrote:
Polygamy is a throwback to a very primitive animalistic form of sexual selection. Rather than embracing an enlightened and evolved type of partnership that brings forth intimacy, care, connections, depth, and deep love, it removes it all in place of turning men into sperm donors and women into chattel.

The exact opposite of what is holy, decent, civilized, caring, compassionate, or loving.

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No wonder God called it the Abomination.
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This is all very saddening. :(
Arghhh...
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