Serious question: How to prevent temple ordinances on dead?

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_harmony
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Gazelam wrote:Harmony,

All of our records are available online? Where?


All the Geneology stuff is here: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

To get the temple work records you have to enter your membership number. Ill try to get the link.


familysearch is not the church's official record, Gaz. It's compiled from members.

I was referring to the official record.
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Has temple work already been performed for my Ancestors?

As I've mentioned before there is some additional genealogy work for Latter-Day Saints to complete. That of Temple work, where saving ordinances are performed for the dead by proxy. Before temple ordinances can be performed we have to find out which ancestors need those ordinances.

In Gospel Principles, Page 258, Fifth Paragraph, we read: "Temple Ordinances have been performed for the dead since the early days of the Church. Consequently, some ordinances for our ancestors may have already been done. To find out which ancestors need temple ordinances, we can look in two places. Our own family records might have information about what has been done. If not, the Church has a record of all ordinances that have been performed in the temple."

The most current form of this record can be found on FamilySearch.org. FamilySearch was created and is maintained by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and is the largest collection of free family history, family tree and genealogy records in the world. It contains a special feature just for members of the Church. That of being able to see if certain ordinances have been performed for various ancestors.

At the bottom of the Registration form there is a section titled: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints Membership Information (Optional). Latter-Day Saints must fill out this portion if they wish to see what ordinances have been performed for their ancestors. The membership number that is asked for can be obtained from their Ward Clerk or from their own Temple Recommend. A Temple Recommend is a type of certificate given to members who are considered to be in good standing with the Church. A person may not enter the temple without a recommend. The confirmation date asked for can be obtained from the Ward Clerk.

Once registration is completed a church member will be able to sign on and begin their search for ancestors who have had their temple ordinances completed. This information can be obtained by searching the International Genealogical Index (IGI). This is done by clicking the SEARCH tab at the top of the page that appears after signing on. The next page that appears will have a list of links in a sidebar on the left. One of those link options reads, International Genealogical Index. Once this is clicked on, a page will appear with a number of search options. It is not necessary to fill every search option offered there. Once you have decided which options to fill, click the search button. You will be taken to a results page showing numbered results. Each number will have next to it the Name, Gender, and a date/place of either Birth, Marriage or Death for an individual. By clicking on the name of an individual you may then see more information about them. For Latter-Day Saints this includes a section titled: LDS Ordinances. This section will show what, if any temple work has been completed for that individual. There are several things that might appear:

* A capital B inside a blue box means Baptism. The date appearing next to that blue box is the date on which that individual was baptized.

* A capital P inside a blue box mean Sealing to Parents. The date appearing next to that blue box is the date on which the individual was sealed to their parents.

* A capital S inside a blue box means Sealing to Spouse. The date appearing next to that blue box is the date on which that individual was sealed to their spouse.

* A capital E inside a blue box means Endowed. The date appearing next to that blue box is the date on which that individual was endowed.
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I sincerely appreciate all condolences expressed here on behalf of my sister.

She lived a horrid life at the hand of a piece of sh*t pedophile and the scorn of his b*tch wife. I cannot imagine what long term molestation and emotional abuse can do to the mind of a young girl. The damage and scars to her self worth. Her future tossed out.

She lived a hard life as an adult, not knowing how to have a relationship with a man, not trusting anyone, battling depression and other mental issues.

Every time I see a vibrant woman in her mid forties walk by, hair bouncing as she springs from step to step, a genuine smile of happiness and content, and friendliness beaming from her eyes, I ask myself, why it could not have been my sis.
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asbestosman wrote:
antishock8 wrote:This is a false dilemma. It's just offensive and disrespectful behavior.

No doubt it is offensive, but . . .

It means you don't respect their religion because they can see that in your mind their religion is insufficient and you're correcting something erroneous. That's offensive and disrespectful. They're not extremists for feeling that way.

I'll remember to be offended by Catholics who believe that my non-Christian native-American ancestors have gone to hell because they were never baptized. Oh, and let's throw in the children who died before being baptized by a Catholic priest (although I believe they have softened their stance in recent years).

I grant that Catholics have every right to be offended by my beliefs. I just find it odd that I don't take offense at their beliefs.

You can't live life without offending anyone. Many are quite offended at Catholic beliefs concerning abortion, stem-cell research, and birth-control. We can take offense to anything we want. All you can do is look at alternatives. I personally don't understand what the rush on temple work is either since I figure the millenium will easily take care of it, but then I'm not the head of the church.


Perhaps, just perhaps, the standard is not whether YOU would be offended.

What is clear is that plenty of other people ARE offended, including Jews and Catholics, and I would be willing to bet many others as well.

I'm frankly surprised Ab-Man that you fail to grasp this, as you are pretty reasonable about other things.

As a general statement, I am not surprised that TBMs see no problem with this, given that they also appear to have no problem excluding non-member family members or inactive family members from Mormon weddings also. Empathy is not a hallmark of the believer. (As an aside, it's easy to support banishing the non-believers to the temple foyer when one assumes that he/she won't be the one being banished. I would love to see how the faithful would continue to support such a policy if it were they were the ones on the outside looking in. Anyone want to bet what the general reaction would be?)
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:
Every time I see a vibrant woman in her mid forties walk by, hair bouncing as she springs from step to step, a genuine smile of happiness and content, and friendliness beaming from her eyes, I ask myself, why it could not have been my sis.




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guy sajer wrote:Perhaps, just perhaps, the standard is not whether YOU would be offended.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't my argument or what I had in mind.

Would I be offended if I were Catholic? Probably. Would I be (or am I) offended at Catholic views on abortion if I were (or since I am) pro-choice? Probably. Would I change my actions or ideas just to avoid offending them? Nope. Do I expect others to change their actions to avoid offending me? No, not always. I simply expect them to be willing to live with the consequences of offending me. Is it better to offend God or man? Well, if God doesn't exist, then I suppose it's a no-brainer. If God does exist, it's also a no-brainer.

But there is an obvious disconnect in abortion vs templework. Templework doesn't have the urgency and physical health considerations that abortion does. That's not the point of the analogy, but yes it does mean that perhaps one has more leeway in avoiding offense for templework than in abortion--depending on the whole God factor.

What is clear is that plenty of other people ARE offended, including Jews and Catholics, and I would be willing to bet many others as well.

No doubt as I'm certain I conceded.

I'm frankly surprised Ab-Man that you fail to grasp this, as you are pretty reasonable about other things.
I am not saying that offending others doesn't matter. I am not saying that it doesn't matter because I wouldn't be offended if people did it to my ancestors. I'm saying that offensive actions are something to take into consideration, not something to let control your life. I recommend discussing things as reasonably as possible. When that fails (as with abortion debates) weigh the options of continual offense.
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Jersey Girl wrote:
Boaz & Lidia wrote:
Every time I see a vibrant woman in her mid forties walk by, hair bouncing as she springs from step to step, a genuine smile of happiness and content, and friendliness beaming from her eyes, I ask myself, why it could not have been my sis.




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asbestosman wrote:I grant that Catholics have every right to be offended by my beliefs. I just find it odd that I don't take offense at their beliefs. . .

You can't live life without offending anyone.


It's important to distinguish the difference between beliefs and practices.

What Jews and Catholics (and others) are offended by here isn't a belief, it's a practice.
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Gazelam wrote:Harmony,

Now that is a very interesting perspective, Road. And I think you're right. No way would the church allow any other church access to our records for any purpose whatsoever. No way.


All of this is available online.


No it isn't. The LDS Church doesn't make available to just anyone the dates that people and places people performed ordinance work, and if you can demonstrate to me somewhere that's all freely available online, I'd be happy to see it.
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Gazelam wrote:Harmony,

All of our records are available online? Where?


All the Geneology stuff is here: http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

To get the temple work records you have to enter your membership number. Ill try to get the link.


If you have to enter your membership number, then it isn't freely available to the public, and certainly not accessible to other churches upon request.
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