Outing other Exmos or exmo sympathisers

[_silentkid]

Does BYU receive any Federal funding?

Many professors I worked with received NSF grants. BYU is entitled a certain percentage of grant funding.

[_Chap]

For those of you who don't know what it looks like to an outsider. When posters on boards speak of "outing" others, it just screams "cult".

I'm so not kidding.

Well there is no policy for outing anyone in the LDS Church that I am aware of and I have never heard it promoted. Oh sure there are some odd ducks like Will what is his name that threaten and bluster. But nobody ever talks about outing anyone.

Let's not forget that it is Church policy to "out" sinners and doubters who are employed by or attend BYU. The outing occurs when a student or employee confesses some misdeed to the Bishop, who then, as a matter of policy, shares information of the misdeed (if not the always the specific details) to BYU, so that it in turn might take disciplinary action.

Let us also not forget how "courts of love," in effect, out sinners in a very public way and allow information about members' personal lives into the public domain.

The callous disregard Mormon Inc. has for privacy is deplorable.

Yes, that is part of the agreement you make when you work at or attend BYU. If you dislike the policy, DON'T GO THERE!!!!

This is such simplistic thinking. Where is it written that if one associates with a group or organization that he/she has to agree with EVERY thing that group or organization says or does or with all its policies? Authoritarians just love people who think as simplistically as you do.

The policy of violating the confidentiality of the confessional at BYU and Mormon Inc. is deplorable. I thought so as an active member and BYU faculty, and I think so now as a non-believer and former BYU faculty.

Thanks for saying this guy.

Indeed yes - this is the same kind of thing that at a larger level in national life produces such numbskulled politics as (in response to some mild suggestion that a few things could be done better round here) "Hey! If you don't like it here, why dontcha move to <insert name of supposedly undesirable country>". If we follow the idea that not only the present but also the future of all human institutions is to be decided, for ever and a day, by those who presently control them, what would we have?

"Hey Mr Washington - this is a British colony, and in colonies we pay taxes without representation. If you don't like it, move elsewhere".

"Hey Mr Luther - this is the Christian Church, and we do indulgences here. If you don't like it, find another religion".

"Hey Mr Bar-Joseph - this is the temple at Jerusalem, and we sell stuff here. If you don't like it, find another temple".

And so on. In nineteenth century Britain, people who believed in the idea of a university as a place of learning free from religious constraints eventually overthrew the requirement that every student who entered Oxford or Cambridge had to affirm membership of the Church of England, and attend college chapel regularly.

But it was not an easily won struggle; the opponents of change argued that the religious admission test was a wonderful witness to the necessity of approaching religion "with a submission of the understanding", and that since Oxford and Cambridge were independent private institutions it was tyranny and disrespect for property to interfere with their internal arrangements (indeed, if 19th century Britain had had a Constitution, they would have said that such an act was unconsitutional ...). Where have we heard that before?

See for instance:

The Oxford and Cambridge Admissions Controversy of 1834
Michael Twaddle
British Journal of Educational Studies, Vol. 14, No. 3 (Nov., 1966), pp. 45-58

[_antishock8]

Does BYU receive any Federal funding?

Many professors I worked with received NSF grants. BYU is entitled a certain percentage of grant funding.

I wonder how much a private institution has to balance its own moral code versus the mandates the federal government requires with its grants? I'm not sure, frankly. There are some Islamic schools that are clearly in violation of the federal and state funding they receive, the last one I read about being in MN... But it seems that the government is reluctant to hold any institution to its own policies for whatever reason. I would be interested, if anyone has a better insight intot this, to know whether or not BYU can accept public monies but still practice religious discrimination as a part of its acceptance process...

[_The Nehor]

This is such simplistic thinking. Where is it written that if one associates with a group or organization that he/she has to agree with EVERY thing that group or organization says or does or with all its policies? Authoritarians just love people who think as simplistically as you do.

The policy of violating the confidentiality of the confessional at BYU and Mormon Inc. is deplorable. I thought so as an active member and BYU faculty, and I think so now as a non-believer and former BYU faculty.

Perhaps that is not written. However, those who attend and work there do agree to the honor code. You can complain it is not fair but you can't complain that you had no idea what you were doing.

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[_The Nehor]

Yes, because BYU's stated goals are the elimination of an ethnic group, the need for more living space for the BYU people, and the annexation of Poland.

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[_LifeOnaPlate]

Way to make light of the holocaust.

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[_The Nehor]

And now it's...
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Deutschland is happy and gay!
We're marching to a faster pace
Look out, here comes the master race!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Rhineland's a fine land once more!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany
Watch out, Europe
We're going on tour!
Springtime for Hitler and Germany...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZGp0hCxSg98