FLDS - 31 of 53 girls pregnant and/or with children

[_truth dancer]

I can support my stance with scripture and testimony of prophets.

You can interpret any stories, myths, fables, and fairy tales as you wish. Doesn't make it true. Men have been using the "God excuse" for a long time... you are not the first, nor was Joseph Smith.

Your bad attitude and "Hang in there baby" Betty Friedan wall poster hold no weight.

Not sure what this means. I think I have a great attitude... I hold marriage (and the exclusive, intimate bond between partners) as an incredible, amazing, truly fascinating institution/ability that is light years beyond the animalistic sperm donor/chattel practice that is polygamy.

I find it funny that the same LDS guys who say they believe adultery is wrong are often the same guys who are living for the day they can freely engage.

Change your attitude and get back to your prayer and scriptures and things will go much better for you.

LOL! Things are going fabulously for me thanks. Much better than when I was a believer! (by about a thousand times).

Change my attitude that polygamy is an abomination? That adultery is a good thing? That sharing sex partners is healthy and holy?

Nope.. it is an abomination. It is and it says so right in your scriptures.

Seriously Gaz, look into your heart, try to access true holiness, move beyond the animalistic urges that keep LDS men from living a truly honorable, loving, and intimate life. Let go of this archaic primitive nonsense so you can have a truly beautiful relationship with your wife.

Just trying to help... :-)

~dancer~

[_guy sajer]

Dancer,

Gaz, because you believe something doesn't make it fact.

Seriously, men have been blaming God for their abominations since the beginning of history. It is disgusting.

~dancer~

I can support my stance with scripture and testimony of prophets. Your bad attitude and "Hang in there baby" Betty Friedan wall poster hold no weight.

Change your attitude and get back to your prayer and scriptures and things will go much better for you.

Is this guy for real? This has got to be a spoof.

I mean, really, is anyone actually this moronic?

[_harmony]

I can support my stance with scripture and testimony of prophets.

Who do you think wrote those scriptures, Gaz? Men, that's who. And who were the prophets? Men, that's who.

God calls polygamy an Abomination in those same scriptures, Gaz.

Good grief. A little consistency please.

[_Mercury]

Gaz, please describe for me how you visualize an ideal polygamous marriage. How do you visualize the concept of truly partnering with more than one woman? I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about the full-on complex intimacy involved with being a righteous couple.
I haven't been able to wrap my head around it, because, quite frankly, the visualization and concept goes completely against the grain of the Proclamation of the Family.
This is not a "trap" question. I'm asking your thoughts as one LDS member to another.

This is how I imagine it :)
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You imagine it wrong. The guy most be older, the other three less important person on the pic must be younger.
And where are the children? In the age shown, there must be 9 of them. Or 15.

It was a visual joke. The picture is from Big Love, an HBO series about suburban modern polygs in Utah.

[_Trevor]

Here is what the urban dictionary has:

1. Piss Boy
A manservant whose job is to mind the bucket of piss for French aristocrats.
"Sire! You look like the Piss Boy!"

From wikipedia:

"De Monet manages to convince the king that he needs to go into hiding and that they will need a stand-in to pretend to be him. In a moment of inspiration Monet claims "You look like the piss boy!", to which the king replies "And you look like a bucket of crap!" Thus Jacques (also Brooks in a fifth role), the garçon de pisse - whose job it is to carry a bucket in which the royals can urinate - is chosen to impersonate the real king."

[_karl61]

Gaz, please describe for me how you visualize an ideal polygamous marriage. How do you visualize the concept of truly partnering with more than one woman? I'm not talking about sex. I'm talking about the full-on complex intimacy involved with being a righteous couple.

I haven't been able to wrap my head around it, because, quite frankly, the visualization and concept goes completely against the grain of the Proclamation of the Family.

This is not a "trap" question. I'm asking your thoughts as one LDS member to another.

a picture is worth a thousand words:

[_karl61]

dang - I need to read every post! sorry merc - that's two days in a row!

[_karl61]

What would be the basis for the wives loving one another?

Do you love your friends?

Yes, I do. My friends and I don't share a mutual sex partner. So again, what would be the basis for the wives loving one another?

a lot of people don't think they do but.....they do.

[_Gazelam]

Jersey,

No, I am not, Gaz. I'm asking you questions. In response to my question you posed another question. You asked me if I love my friends. I pointed out to you that while I do love my friends, that we don't share a mutual sex partner. So what has me loving my friends got to do with wives of polygamy loving eachother? Are they friends? Do friends share lovers? I don't see how friendly love enters into a polygamous marriage. How could it?

You didn't copy the portion of my post that made the distinction. You skipped right over it. Think about what I said here. That's all I'm asking you to do.

I don't make fun of you, Gaz. I might get ticked off at you or frustrated from time to time, but I like you too much to make fun of you.

I should have been more clear. I meant that the wives could share joy in mocking me. LOL that's what I get for posting so late. I was trying to be funny and failed miserably.

Its difficult to discuss sacred things in the flippant atmosphere of the boards. (Im as much to blame for that as anyone else.) But let me put it this way. There is an effort made in a monogomous marriage for unity, to be one with one another. In that oneness you bring forth offspring that are intended to share that oneness as the parents teach the children their understanding of the world and how it works. God in fact commands parents to do so, and tells them that if they fail to do so the sins of the children will be upon the heads of the parents.

If you remember the intercessory prayer, Christ prays to the Father that all of the memebrs of the Church can share the unity that He shared with the Father. That oneness of mind and purpose and ultimately being. A marriage is an example of that oneness.

What do you think that oneness wil be like in heaven? Living where God dwells and communicateing with one another the way the Holy Ghost communicates with us now? Communicating not just an expression in words, but also how you feel about the subject and all the thoughts you have on that subject impressed upon the other. An entire community like this, not just a household.

Sex is not what polygamy is about. A oneness and an attempt at making heaven here on earth is what its about.

[_asbestosman]

Sex is not what polygamy is about. A oneness and an attempt at making heaven here on earth is what its about.

Polygamy is about oneness? Somehow that just sounds like an contradiction in terms when you realize that poly means many, not one. It's almost like saying that baptism isn't about being immersed, but about being sprinkled (the origin of the word baptism implies immersion as I understand it). Maybe we could coin a term, E pluribus monogam or something.