Midgley Threatens to "Out" Bachman

[_Trevor]

Those letters were hilarious. Very interesting.

And all too familiar, if you ask me.

Edit: the more I read the letters sent to White, the more I am amazed at how disturbed Peterson and Midgley appear in their ceaseless badgering.

[_Gadianton]

I am confident that Randy Keyes tried to convince Talmage that his membership in the Church had hopefully made him a better husband than he otherwise might have been trying to make a living in disgusting pop music world

OH NO! Apologists, UNLIKE ATHEISTS, never, EVER, take a morally superior tone and condescend to ex-members. Dr. Peterson, I must commend your friend on his mastery of the art of maintaining an equal and respectful relationship. I'm sure your own generous and congenial style reflects years of study under this fine tutor known as Dr. Midgley. And I'll bet you really learned something that day he nearly beat down the door of the Tanner's place of business and went ape.

And, by the way, we critics never at all derive any amusement from these kinds of antics that come from apologists. :)

[_bcspace]

Midgley Threatens to "Out" Bachman

Didn't Tal threaten to out Keyes? Didn't Tal already claim to reveal private conversations he had with Keyes without asking Keyes' permission?

[_Trevor]

Didn't Tal threaten to out Keyes? Didn't Tal already claim to reveal private conversations he had with Keyes without asking Keyes' permission?

Tit for tat is no way to hold the moral high ground.

[_antishock8]

This is the funny thing about religion in general. They set the bar very high, constantly state how their religion changes people for the better, and the fruits of their gospel produce people who are Christ-like/Buddha-like/Mohammed-like. Uh, yeah, no. I suppose it makes them a little more vile than the average person because on the one hand they're preaching a peaceful, loving, forgiven, and patient message... But when it comes down to it they can act like assholes, justify it with some snippet of scripture, "repent" a la Coggins, and drive on being the same people they always were.

In this case, Mr. Bachman can breath easy the Danites aren't floating around any more.

[_guy sajer]

"I am confident that Randy Keyes tried to convince Talmage that his membership in the Church had hopefully made him a better husband than he otherwise might have been trying to make a living in disgusting pop music world."

Oh yes, every single pop star is a disgusting moral degenerate.

Why, I've heard that they even, at times, drink alcohol!

Some of them go as far as to not let old men in business suits who think they talk to God to dictate to them when and with whom they can have sex.

Oh the degenerate horrors!!!

What a moron!

[_Dr. Shades]

This is the funny thing about religion in general. . . I suppose it makes them a little more vile than the average person because on the one hand they're preaching a peaceful, loving, forgiven, and patient message... But when it comes down to it they can act like assholes, justify it with some snippet of scripture, . . .

I think it was Gadianton (or was it Mister Scratch?) who pointed out that Jesus freaking out and going completely ape in the temple was a godsend to the apologists, since in their minds it gives them a free pass to also freak out and go completely ape on the critics whenever they feel like disregarding the other tenets of Christlike conduct that their religion teaches.

[_guy sajer]

Follow up:

To read James's side of the events in question, see Nastigrams R Us.

He makes the funnily unfunny observation that when one emails a single BYU professor-apologist, one is effectively emailing all of them. James's emails were immediately forwarded to several other BYU staffers, who didn't find it at all odd to respond via email to an email that was not sent to them personally.

Chris

Wow, I'm trying to think of the apt adjective to describe the BYU-prof apologist cabal. Words that come to mind are paranoid, obsessive, unbalanced, cooky, unhinged--I just can't think of the right word, however.

I really do believe that these guys see themselves at the front lines of some kind of cosmic battle, and they envision themselves as the leaders, taking on the enemy, tilting at windmills and suffering that darts and slings all as part of a noble and ennobling quest that somehow sets them apart from the rest and grants them special status both in this world and in the next (kind of God's Delta Force).

[_Rollo Tomasi]

It seems that Midgley is more of a "player" within the arena of Internet Mormonism than some may have realized.

I first became acquainted with Lou Midgley in the early 1980's, during his battles with Mike Quinn and other "New Mormon History" adherents. I believed then, as I do now, that the man is unstable; in my opinion, he has not a grain of objectivity when it comes to anything LDS. Tal's description of Lou (as described by Lou in his above post) is spot-on. Remember, this is the man who drove up to SLC just to heckle Grant Palmer at a book-signing.

[_Dr. Shades]

Remember, this is the man who drove up to SLC just to heckle Grant Palmer at a book-signing.

Didn't he also drive around the parking lot during the candlelight vigil for Lynne Kanavel Whitesides, screaming obscenities at the assemble-ees?