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What Precisely Is A Jesus Freak?
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_Dr. Shades
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Re: What Precisely Is A Jesus Freak?
Jersey Girl wrote:The freaks didn't sell out to the Establishment, Shades.
We became it.
Good excuse! That's your story and you're sticking to it, right?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
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Jersey Girls back so maybe this thread can resurect. Or should it? afer all whats more tiresome than old folks reviewing the moments of history defining their youth but now long gone with issues stale and no longer relavant. After all what does anti war movements have to do with the present age when war is persued with such clarity of purpose and universal good cheer.
Perhaps we should consider if the anti war movement has any relation to the question what are Jesus freaks? Or further does it have any relation to the concerns of the message board, questioning the value of religious beliefs. I can see a couple of connections. I wonder if Jesus freaks were a result of people trying to rescue the idealism of the 60 from the chaos pouring out of the 68 watershead. Was there any value to such an attempt. On the othre hand perhaps Jesus freaks were just grabbing an arbitrary fundamentalist securinty of belief in a context of uncertainity. At the time I assumed the second, artificial certainty. Since then I have wondered if the first, rescuing the ideals would be a role for Jesus.
Ok there were a multiplicity of movements and many flavors of them. There were differences in what the movment meant in 66 and in 71. There were differences in regions and differences between individuals and groups. Fixing to die rag would be good picture of the time it became a big movement instead of a quasi underground matter such as the Dylan c 63 Antiwar song I quoted, more memorable for giving worlds to other dimensions of the movement, open fields and other images from Woody. Where have all the flowers gone from Pete Seeger 1960 or is starteling wast deep in the big muddy, Startling because he managed to drop into prime time.
Is the difference between then and now merely the draft, or the fear the draft nurtured. I can not say that that is incorrect despite the degree I do not want it to be. I thought that people really cared about policy which lead to the war. I thought people cared about the decisions to support or not to support. People certainly imagined it was a moral decision effecting the future of our country. Just a lot of self serving fear perhaps?
Perhaps we should consider if the anti war movement has any relation to the question what are Jesus freaks? Or further does it have any relation to the concerns of the message board, questioning the value of religious beliefs. I can see a couple of connections. I wonder if Jesus freaks were a result of people trying to rescue the idealism of the 60 from the chaos pouring out of the 68 watershead. Was there any value to such an attempt. On the othre hand perhaps Jesus freaks were just grabbing an arbitrary fundamentalist securinty of belief in a context of uncertainity. At the time I assumed the second, artificial certainty. Since then I have wondered if the first, rescuing the ideals would be a role for Jesus.
Ok there were a multiplicity of movements and many flavors of them. There were differences in what the movment meant in 66 and in 71. There were differences in regions and differences between individuals and groups. Fixing to die rag would be good picture of the time it became a big movement instead of a quasi underground matter such as the Dylan c 63 Antiwar song I quoted, more memorable for giving worlds to other dimensions of the movement, open fields and other images from Woody. Where have all the flowers gone from Pete Seeger 1960 or is starteling wast deep in the big muddy, Startling because he managed to drop into prime time.
Is the difference between then and now merely the draft, or the fear the draft nurtured. I can not say that that is incorrect despite the degree I do not want it to be. I thought that people really cared about policy which lead to the war. I thought people cared about the decisions to support or not to support. People certainly imagined it was a moral decision effecting the future of our country. Just a lot of self serving fear perhaps?
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Okay, huck. I'm back but don't even think of this as forgiveness!
Self serving fear is kind of what I was trying to bring out here. My take is that either the freaks were "awakened" to their own mortality and that's why they opposed the war....the far reaching impact of war...the reality of war...
or
They used "peace and love" as an excuse to drive the movement...in order to avoid the draft.
I still don't forgive you.
That's the third warning. It can only go downhill from here on out....
Jersey Girl
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Is the difference between then and now merely the draft, or the fear the draft nurtured. I can not say that that is incorrect despite the degree I do not want it to be. I thought that people really cared about policy which lead to the war. I thought people cared about the decisions to support or not to support. People certainly imagined it was a moral decision effecting the future of our country. Just a lot of self serving fear perhaps?
Self serving fear is kind of what I was trying to bring out here. My take is that either the freaks were "awakened" to their own mortality and that's why they opposed the war....the far reaching impact of war...the reality of war...
or
They used "peace and love" as an excuse to drive the movement...in order to avoid the draft.
I still don't forgive you.
That's the third warning. It can only go downhill from here on out....
Jersey Girl
;-)
Failure is not falling down but refusing to get up.
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fear is illuminating precisely in its self serving quality.
that's one take. It fits with the theme of changing perception from the candy coat to the matter inside.
I remember pictures and stories early on of villages in SVv being helped to fortifiy themselves. Moats fences and pointed sticks.
required to fortify themselves.
show themselves loyal.
are they loyal?
destroy them to save them. transitions in time.
I was home yesterday, bit of vacation, and watched news. It went on and on estimatiing a possible readjustment in score betwee Hillary and Obama. Nice adjustments from yesterday a small matter. New went on twiddle twaddle and nothing. There was a tiny story. Some soldier accidently horrified his mother by calliing her number by mistake in the middle of a a firefight, Send more amunition!!
The poor mother, to meet the real image. We are supposed to be protected against such things.
News tweedle twadle american idol there is no war going on.
Or perhaps fear is illuminating on the simpler leval of reminding us of things that matter.
But people then, now and in all times also ask if fear blinds us to the value and need for the personal sacrifice. I think it could but the accusation that this applies to you now can shut down thought. People do not want to be timid.
that's one take. It fits with the theme of changing perception from the candy coat to the matter inside.
I remember pictures and stories early on of villages in SVv being helped to fortifiy themselves. Moats fences and pointed sticks.
required to fortify themselves.
show themselves loyal.
are they loyal?
destroy them to save them. transitions in time.
I was home yesterday, bit of vacation, and watched news. It went on and on estimatiing a possible readjustment in score betwee Hillary and Obama. Nice adjustments from yesterday a small matter. New went on twiddle twaddle and nothing. There was a tiny story. Some soldier accidently horrified his mother by calliing her number by mistake in the middle of a a firefight, Send more amunition!!
The poor mother, to meet the real image. We are supposed to be protected against such things.
News tweedle twadle american idol there is no war going on.
Or perhaps fear is illuminating on the simpler leval of reminding us of things that matter.
But people then, now and in all times also ask if fear blinds us to the value and need for the personal sacrifice. I think it could but the accusation that this applies to you now can shut down thought. People do not want to be timid.