White and Delightsome

Post by **_JonasS** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:03 am

Boaz & Lidia wrote:Things must be getting boring on yonder board. Is JonasS another visitor from the MA&D house?

Wouldn't know if things were getting boring "on yonder board", I was banned ages ago. Ages being Months ago.

Joseph Smith

Post by **_Boaz & Lidia** » Sun May 11, 2008 2:46 am

JonasS wrote:
Boaz & Lidia wrote:Things must be getting boring on yonder board. Is JonasS another visitor from the MA&D house?

Wouldn't know if things were getting boring "on yonder board", I was banned ages ago. Ages being Months ago.

Joseph Smith

Oh.

May I ask your current position in relation to LDS membership?

TBM? Exmo? etc..

Post by **_JonasS** » Sun May 11, 2008 3:02 am

NOMish, somewhat Pantheist. Partly TBM.

Post by **_bcspace** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:37 pm

I agree with DHO. Diversity for it's own sake is wrong.

Post by **_christopher** » Tue May 13, 2008 6:18 pm

JonasS wrote:By white and delightsome it is not suggesting white as in skin colour, but rather the righteousness of the people. In the Bible when refering to white garment it is refering to righteousness.

Sorry, but that's crap to those of us who grew up in the church.

The First Presidency Statement on the Negro Question

August 17, 1949

The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."

President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: "The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have."

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.

Post by **_John Larsen** » Tue May 13, 2008 6:47 pm

JonasS wrote:By white and delightsome it is not suggesting white as in skin colour, but rather the righteousness of the people. In the Bible when refering to white garment it is refering to righteousness.

White and delightsome has been used by Church authority to refer to skin color from time to time. President Kimball often suggested that Lamanite-American Indians were become more fair skinned and white and delightsome due to their righteousness.

Post by **_John Larsen** » Tue May 13, 2008 6:50 pm

Even if it weren't the case that white and delightsome were used to refer to race, the use of "white" to refer to righteousness and "dark" to refer to wickedness is in and of itself offense to many races since the strong association of these terms to race.

Post by **_moksha** » Tue May 13, 2008 7:21 pm

KimberlyAnn wrote:I live in a comfortable suburb in NE Oklahoma. I took my girls to Washington DC a year ago and on the Metro, my six year old Chloe loudly remarked, with her cute little lisp, "I've never theen though many black people!" I was mortified and felt like crawling under my seat. Luckily, the black folks near us were amused, and they were even more amused when Chloe said, "I know how to hip-hop danth!". She then broke into a full-scale routine, ending by pounding her fist on her chest and saying, "Peath out."

KA

This is now one of my favorite kid stories.