Crockett/Scratch Debate 2: Church Finances

[_beastie]

Oh, no. A crucial edit has intervened. This response previously stated that you wished the Church would disclose its financial information, but that it had a right not to do so.

I suppose the edit occurred because you realized that your initial response demonstrated, to your satisfaction at least, that the LDS Church does suppress its finances.

You're a weak coward off of Bob's radar screen.

snicker

[_cksalmon]

Oh, no. A crucial edit has intervened. This response previously stated that you wished the Church would disclose its financial information, but that it had a right not to do so.

I suppose the edit occurred because you realized that your initial response demonstrated, to your satisfaction at least, that the LDS Church does suppress its finances.

You're a weak coward off of Bob's radar screen.

snicker

Meh, you're off the radar screen, too--though, in your case, it's because you have unimpressive access to primary documents.

(I've been kicked off of better radar screens.)

[_the road to hana]

If you wish to reconsider, state the exact premise about church finances you wish me to prove or disprove.

Prove or disprove the following premise:

*Financial information of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is available to the general membership of the Church, if not to the non-member public.

[_Tori]

Round 2: Scratch, please state the premise you wish me to prove or disprove regarding church finances.

Harmony will, no doubt, chime in on this one. This is her pet peeve. ;)

(Grabbing popcorn)

I have my popcorn (just about ready to watch American Idol) :-)

This is so funny to me. rcrockett seems to be just pleased as punch thinking that he has actually won these so-called debates.

Sheer entertainment, that's for sure. ;-)

[_cksalmon]

If you wish to reconsider, state the exact premise about church finances you wish me to prove or disprove.

Prove or disprove the following premise:

*Financial information of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is available to the general membership of the Church, if not to the non-member public.

Seconded.

[_Bond...James Bond]

You know no major debate will ever get off the ground because crocket and Scratch both will only choose topics they are more knowledgeable in because they want to win. If a fair debate topic was to be picked the best way would be for each guy (and perhaps some other posters) to put forth a few topics and have a person agreeable to both sides to put the topics on little sheets of paper in a cup and draw one out. Then setup the issue where that only Scratch and crocket would be able to debate it for say, a 5 days or something.

[_cksalmon]

You know no major debate will ever get off the ground because crocket and Scratch both will only choose topics they are more knowledgeable in because they want to win. If a fair debate topic was to be picked the best way would be for each guy (and perhaps some other posters) to put forth a few topics and have a person agreeable to both sides to put the topics on little sheets of paper in a cup and draw one out. Then setup the issue where that only Scratch and crocket would be able to debate it for say, a 5 days or something.

Well, this is Robert's thread. He asked for a specific topic to debate. He's been given one.

He's already given away the store, however, by suggesting that he, personally, would like the LDS Church to disclose its finances.

Yeah, yeah. I know: He edited that admission out of the record. Surely, someone other than myself read it.

But, the underlying question remains.

I can't see, at this point, his being interested in debating whether or not the LDS Church suppresses its finances, though, what with his tacitly admitting that, in fact, it does so.

Maybe he needs to start Round Three.

[_KimberlyAnn]

He's already given away the store, however, by suggesting that he, personally, would like the LDS Church to disclose its finances.

Yeah, yeah. I know: He edited that admission out of the record. Surely, someone other than myself read it.

I also read it, Chris.

And Crockett did indeed say that he would like the Church to disclose it's finances.

I also think he is honest enough to admit what was in his original post.

Kimberly

[_Dr. Shades]

Okay, if that topic is no longer in the running, why don't we choose a much easier concept for them to debate, a topic about which they are both equally well-informed?

RCROCKET VS SCRATCH:

DOES ANONYMITY EQUAL INACCURACY?

[Guest]

He's already given away the store, however, by suggesting that he, personally, would like the LDS Church to disclose its finances.

Yeah, yeah. I know: He edited that admission out of the record. Surely, someone other than myself read it.

I also read it, Chris.

And Crockett did indeed say that he would like the Church to disclose it's finances.

I also think he is honest enough to admit what was in his original post.

Kimberly

I hope and trust that he is. But I can just imagine his stating that his now-deleted comment has nothing to do, evidentially, with the question of whether the LDS Church suppresses its finances.

I say that in light of his recent statements to the effect that the LDS Church doesn't suppress the contents of the Temple Ceremony because (1) Orson Pratt published "portions" of it in the nineteenth century, in The Seer, and that (2) he has see it "officially" "published," via performative instantiation, in the Temple ceremony itself.

I do believe that certain other of Pratt's publications in The Seer were the impetus behind the very first FP proclamation (spearheaded by BY) denouncing the liberties Pratt had taken in proclaiming his version of LDS doctrine.

Oh, and you're a "thinly-read critic." My radar screen has had enough of your shenanigans.

Chris