TAL BACHMAN RESPONDS TO PRESIDENT KEYES

[_Tori]

Shades, you stink. Your whole anti-Mormon site stinks. Both you and keene. You, and all the bitter ex-Mormons who post here, are a total disgrace to any logical arguments against Mormonism.

Why in the world do you even log on here? What.....you think you are doing your duty by hurling out insults? And you think former Mormons are the bitter people on here? http://bestsmileys.com/lol/14.gif

Go back home, Mr. Ray A! They are calling for you at MAD.

[_guy sajer]

Once again, I applaud you, Tal, for taking the high road.

It takes a great deal of character to "take a bullet" in order to preserve the well-being of another.

Yes, Dr. Shades, I couldn't agree more. And no doubt you have been "taking bullets" for others' "well being" for ages. Truth is, you only defend Tali Bachman because you're on the same side as this pathetic loser who has already slandered Randy Keyes for personal gain.

Horse bolted.

And Ray only disbelieves Tal because he is on the same side as the pathetic liar, adulterer, and con man. Here's a hint for ya, Ray. It's bad form to accuse someone else of bias when the very accusation is itself a product of bias.

It makes you a very transparent and rather silly hypocrite.

[_mbeesley]

There is plenty to be said for "quiet contemplation", 'tis true.

Re mbeesley's remark to Tal about Abraham (known among other names as the Father of Israel) not being an Israelite:

Excerpt from this article:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/news/n ... ast/roots/

2000-1800 B.C.E. Abraham leads Israelite nomads from Mesopotamia into Canaan. Famine eventually drives his descendants into Egypt.

1250-1200 B.C.E. Moses leads the Israelites out of Egypt into Canaan, defeating Canaanites and Philistines.

Abraham did, indeed, according to Biblical claims, lead Israelites, widely acknowledged by religious and secular sources.


Excerpt from this site:

http://christianactionforisrael.org/index.html

Under this subheading:

http://christianactionforisrael.org/jud ... chap1.html

"The first person to actually be called an Israelite was Jacob, Abraham's grandson. He was called Jacob at birth, but God changed his name to "Israel" at Peniel, when He said to him:

Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel, for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed (Genesis 32:28).

The nation which traced its ancestry back to the twelve sons of Jacob was variously referred to as "Israel" (Genesis 34:7), "the children/sons of Israel" (Genesis 32:32), or "the tribes of Israel" (Genesis 49:16). Again, we must keep in mind that Jacob was not a Jew.

The term "Jew" originally described an inhabitant of Judah (II Kings 16:6) and as such was employed in contemporary Assyrian texts (Laudaia) dating at least from the eighth century B.C. The New Bible Dictionary indicates that "the term `Jew' was commonly used by non-Jews to refer to the Hebrews, or descendants of Abraham in general." By New Testament times the plural "Jews" had become a familiar term for all Israelites. The feminine form,
"Jewess," is used in Acts 16:1 and 24:24; and the adjective "Jewish" is found in Galatians 2:14 (NIV) and Titus 1:14.

For all practical purposes, therefore, we can use the terms Hebrews, Jews and Israelites interchangeably to mean the same people." (emphasis mine)

Most things are not as black/white as they may seem. It pays to parse carefully, especially if wanting to point fingers at someone else.

I stand by what I wrote. If other publication want to be sloppy in their designations, and refer to Abraham as an Israelite, that is their prerogative. But they're wrong. :)

[_Nightingale]

I stand by what I wrote. If other publication want to be sloppy in their designations, and refer to Abraham as an Israelite, that is their prerogative. But they're wrong. :)

OK, it's a draw. But just saying that LOTS of other people do it too. So I thought that calling Tal on it was a bit kind of biased, mocking, nit-picking, just for the sake of it.

So many details about so many subjects and there's only so much grey matter to stretch around it all. :)

[_Alter Idem]

Shades, you stink. Your whole anti-Mormon site stinks. Both you and keene. You, and all the bitter ex-Mormons who post here, are a total disgrace to any logical arguments against Mormonism.

Why in the world do you even log on here? What.....you think you are doing your duty by hurling out insults? And you think former Mormons are the bitter people on here? http://bestsmileys.com/lol/14.gif

Go back home, Mr. Ray A! They are calling for you at MAD.

Since the mods didn't notice this yet, I'll comment.

No one gets dissinvited or told to "go away" from this board, Tori. While I think Ray is better off staying away from here, he's a big boy-all grown up--and can decide for himself where to spend his cyber time. And, he's no more offensive than the worst offenders on this board.

[_harmony]

Personally, I think "you stink" qualifies as the all-time favorite insult of middle schoolers everywhere. Ray is in good company.

[_Tori]

Since the mods didn't notice this yet, I'll comment.

No one gets dissinvited or told to "go away" from this board, Tori. While I think Ray is better off staying away from here, he's a big boy-all grown up--and can decide for himself where to spend his cyber time. And, he's no more offensive than the worst offenders on this board.

Oh....of course, I'm sure that he is a big boy and I don't usually get so irriatated by the snide remarks or bickering that goes on here. It's part of the whole BB mystique. It's the entertainment. And I don't really care if Ray hangs around here or not. I guess I was bugged by his ranting to Shades saying that he "stinks" and this whole "anti-Mormon site stinks". If he thinks that why does he participate on this particular site? It just hit me wrong, that's all.

My sincere apologies if I wasn't being obedient to the rules. My participation is quite minimal, really so I'm not that familiar with them. I'll try to do better next time.