More Evidence of a FARMS 'Cabal'

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Re: More Evidence of a FARMS 'Cabal'

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Mister Scratch wrote:I was nosing around in some old MAD threads when I came across this:

Daniel Peterson wrote:
IMHO, Daniel, if [Grant Palmer's] book is such bunk, then why didn't Farms just ignore it? Instead of reviewing it not once or even twice for good measure, but FIVE times?



Whether the book is bunk or not, some people, as I say, have found it persuasive. Anyway, here's the scoop on the five reviews:

I first sought a single review. One person agreed to do it. He then recruited a colleague to help. Eventually, they decided they would prefer to write two separate reviews. Then two other people contacted me and asked me if they could say something about Palmer. Since they were both interesting writers, I said yes. But, by this point, I couldn't gracefully have told the first two reviewers to drop their writing even if I had felt so inclined -- which I didn't. That led to four reviews. And then, when my friend Jim Allen sent me a copy of his review, which he had been asked to write for BYU Studies but which had grown too long, I offered to run the full version (since I liked it), while BYU Studies ran a shorter version. Hence, five reviews. No panic, and no initial plan to publish so many. But I like them, and I'm happy to have published them.


The MAD thread in question can be accessed here:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... topic=5277

What's intriguing about this quote, in my opinion, is the way that it reveals the sort of "Good Ol' Boy" network that is responsible for the output of FARMS Review. This DCP posting, coupled with the recent mention of the mysterious "l-skinny" BYU listserve, only helps to bolster the theory that FARMS Review truly is without serious academic merit, and is instead run by a "cabal" of Church "yes-men" who plot revenge on Church critics via their "l-skinny" gossip channel. Furthermore, the fact that The Good Professor was "happy to have published" a whopping five attack articles dealing with one "terrible" book, shows that the primary purpose of this journal is to launch "academic"-sounding character assassinations.



Anytime I read DCP's comments like this and the thread you linked, I am blown away with the mediocrity, stupidity, irrelevance this guy exhibits. The best I can describe is "Genuine Mormon Gossip Soap Opera".
My favored palabra de jour is, he calls GP's book "awful".
having said all this nasty things about him, I have to hand it to him; He is by far the most entertaining Mormon Apologetic
Clown there is.
I owe a deep gratitude to LDS Church to let Him entertain us infidels.
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Re: More Evidence of a FARMS 'Cabal'

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solomarineris wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:I was nosing around in some old MAD threads when I came across this:

Daniel Peterson wrote:
IMHO, Daniel, if [Grant Palmer's] book is such bunk, then why didn't Farms just ignore it? Instead of reviewing it not once or even twice for good measure, but FIVE times?



Whether the book is bunk or not, some people, as I say, have found it persuasive. Anyway, here's the scoop on the five reviews:

I first sought a single review. One person agreed to do it. He then recruited a colleague to help. Eventually, they decided they would prefer to write two separate reviews. Then two other people contacted me and asked me if they could say something about Palmer. Since they were both interesting writers, I said yes. But, by this point, I couldn't gracefully have told the first two reviewers to drop their writing even if I had felt so inclined -- which I didn't. That led to four reviews. And then, when my friend Jim Allen sent me a copy of his review, which he had been asked to write for BYU Studies but which had grown too long, I offered to run the full version (since I liked it), while BYU Studies ran a shorter version. Hence, five reviews. No panic, and no initial plan to publish so many. But I like them, and I'm happy to have published them.


The MAD thread in question can be accessed here:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... topic=5277

What's intriguing about this quote, in my opinion, is the way that it reveals the sort of "Good Ol' Boy" network that is responsible for the output of FARMS Review. This DCP posting, coupled with the recent mention of the mysterious "l-skinny" BYU listserve, only helps to bolster the theory that FARMS Review truly is without serious academic merit, and is instead run by a "cabal" of Church "yes-men" who plot revenge on Church critics via their "l-skinny" gossip channel. Furthermore, the fact that The Good Professor was "happy to have published" a whopping five attack articles dealing with one "terrible" book, shows that the primary purpose of this journal is to launch "academic"-sounding character assassinations.



Anytime I read DCP's comments like this and the thread you linked, I am blown away with the mediocrity, stupidity, irrelevance this guy exhibits. The best I can describe is "Genuine Mormon Gossip Soap Opera".
My favored palabra de jour is, he calls GP's book "awful".
having said all this nasty things about him, I have to hand it to him; He is by far the most entertaining Mormon Apologetic
Clown there is.
I owe a deep gratitude to LDS Church to let Him entertain us infidels.


The part that I found most interesting was how many times Daniel says "I". FARMS Review really is his own little kingdom.
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Re: More Evidence of a FARMS 'Cabal'

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solomarineris wrote:Anytime I read DCP's comments like this and the thread you linked, I am blown away with the mediocrity, stupidity, irrelevance this guy exhibits. The best I can describe is "Genuine Mormon Gossip Soap Opera".
My favored palabra de jour is, he calls GP's book "awful".
having said all this nasty things about him, I have to hand it to him; He is by far the most entertaining Mormon Apologetic
Clown there is.
I owe a deep gratitude to LDS Church to let Him entertain us infidels.



Where I find comfort is knowing that this is the best they've got. Think about it.......The best responses to the questions raised about the church are the crap that DCP and his friends put out. That's it. There is no better answer.

Just maybe that would tell someone who is not emotionally attached to the church that it is indeed demonstrably not what it claims to be.


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My ears are burning!
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Re: More Evidence of a FARMS 'Cabal'

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Ole Scratch's rumor mongering spin is at it again!
What's intriguing about this quote, in my opinion, is the way that it reveals the sort of "Good Ol' Boy" network that is responsible for the output of FARMS Review


Does it now. Because a few people who knew each other helped out another person then asked to write their own review? Is it odd really that perhaps those og like interests and ideas might not associate together?


. This DCP posting, coupled with the recent mention of the mysterious "l-skinny" BYU listserve,



Oooooooeeoeoeoooooo....MYSTERIOUS......wind blowing, black helicopters on the horizon...RUN FOR COVER!!!


only helps to bolster the theory that FARMS Review truly is without serious academic merit, and is instead run by a "cabal" of Church "yes-men"


Well I imagine given FARMS stated mission that most the contributors are strong supporters of the Church though there have been a few items published by critics in the FROB.

who plot revenge on Church critics



Oh yes they are coming after you nest Scratchy. Run for cover.

via their "l-skinny" gossip channel
.

It is so funny when you the king/queen of gossip, criticizes someone else for the act.

Furthermore, the fact that The Good Professor was "happy to have published" a whopping five attack articles dealing with one "terrible" book, shows that the primary purpose of this journal is to launch "academic"-sounding character assassinations.


Oh the irony of Scratch criticizing someone else for character assassination. Oh please. Help me!
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Post by _LifeOnaPlate »

here come the black suburbans
1, 2, and 3
here come the black suburbans
looking after me
and I see myself reflected in their tinted windows
and I smile
I feel so safe when they're around me
I really hope they stay a while

they got the secret numbers
they got the skeleton key
they got a tap on my telephone line
finally someone listens to me
and every night I hear 'um
as they crawl around inside of my walls
I guess I must've been suspicious
or else a neighbor tipped 'um off

and if you're feeling lonely
like just another so and so
write a letter to anyone
they'll be looking through your mail, you know

here come the black suburbans
1, 2, and 3
here come the black suburbans
looking after me
and I see myself reflected in their tinted windows
and I smile
I feel so safe when they're around me
I really hope they stay a while

Image
One moment in annihilation's waste,
one moment, of the well of life to taste-
The stars are setting and the caravan
starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste!

-Omar Khayaam

*Be on the lookout for the forthcoming album from Jiminy Finn and the Moneydiggers.*
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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Hey, Blair---

Who's the dude in the hat? Your dad?
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Post by _solomarineris »

LifeOnaPlate wrote:Image


You'ra trip dude...
How many endowments r u takin in a day?
20? or more?
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Post by _Gadianton »

Once again, where there has been deception, Mr. Scratch brings honesty. We are all in your debt. What I can't figure out is this. Why have five essays dealing with one very poor book? Why not have just one essay on it, and then four essays on the latest from Yale and Oxford that bolsters the case for the Book of Mormon?

Come to think of it, why even have one article on a terrible book? Do serious periodicals waste their time countering the claims of hacks?
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