Religious idiots... shut up

[_Chap]

Chap,

I'm going to respond to those last sentences of harmony's in another way. Here they are:

Why should the American taxpayer have to pay for your or anyone else's contraceptives? Oh yeah... because otherwise, we'd have to pay for the abortions or pay for the chlid for the next 18 years.

1. Foot the bill for contraceptives to underage minors.
2. Pay for abortions for underage minors.
3. Pay for the child is who is the result of unprotected sex by underage minors.

Are these the only available choices? That seems to be the picture that GoodK presents.

It seems to me that society and specifically parents are willing to go belly up on their own children based on the above choices. Is this the best we can come up with?

Of course not. What we need to do is to find that magic lever to pull that makes all parents bring up their children responsibly.

But while you are looking for that lever (Don't forget to tell us when you have found it! It must be near that one that makes teenagers stop wanting to have sex), don't you think we had better do what we can to minimise the social and financial costs of the situation in which we actually find ourselves?

[_Jersey Girl]

You are usually a bit sharper than this... what's up?

I dunno. Do I seem a bit sharper when I agree with you? Go figure.

Why are you promoting a lifestyle of dependency for the underage minors whom you seem to think have some sort of right to free birth control?

[_Jersey Girl]

Of course not. What we need to do is to find that magic lever to pull that makes all parents bring up their children responsibly.

But while you are looking for that lever (Don't forget to tell us when you have found it! It must be near that one that makes teenagers stop wanting to have sex), don't you think we had better do what we can to minimise the social and financial costs of the situation in which we actually find ourselves?

I think I know where at least some of the levers are, Chap. It would require parents to exchange their complacent and defeatist attitudes for proactivity. I don't think that we "find" ourselves here, we put ourselves here.

[_Roger Morrison]

Some interesting dialogue between the "cast" in this epic :-) Antagonist, protagonist, and mixed in, some sense from all, that adds to the suspense... However, i think there could/should be some clarification re definitions: A child's/kid's age, in this isue is most important, as generally that determines their level of knowledge, decision making skills etc. Home influence, role models, communities, et al...

Ii'm sure there is agreement here, teen pregnancies are found in families of all sects. So, other than for Grosskreutz's pot-stiring tactics, "religion" is irrelevant, as most have suggested. Like it or not, easy access to birth control stuff for 'stupids', is what this issue is. No "stupids" with 'hots' no need for 'pills' or 'condums'. Since we do have hot-teens, (both genders) and shot-gun-weddings (& polyg) are out-moded, pay the bill. A little history reveals the 1700 & 1800's didn't do too well with this either. Don't think we want new-borns left in sewers... Or...naw, we passed that, right?

So tax $$ are spent-to-prevent here. Far more tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are spent less responsibly in other subsidies that serve little service to social communities... Grosskreutz threw out a nonsensical ;-) bait that actually did draw folks to a real-time issue... Warm regards, Roger

[_Jersey Girl]

So tax $$ are spent-to-prevent here. Far more tax $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ are spent less responsibly in other subsidies that serve little service to social communities...

Tax $$ are spent to prevent what exactly? And how?

[_GoodK]

I'm sorry, GoodK, this "I have a hard on, please give my gf birth control so I can use it" doctrine is getting a little old. Just because your dick works, doesn't mean you have a right to use it on someone and expect adults to pay for your gf's birth control so you can.

And Jersey Girl and her friends have the right to tell me what to do with my dick.

I rest my case.

Sweetie, I don't give a rat's ass what you do with your dick, as long as I don't have to pay for it in the end. Unfortunately, there are altogether too many children like you running around who haven't grown up enough to be given the right to do what you want to with your dick, because you and they want the fun without the responsibility. Buy your own contraceptives, condoms, whatever. Ever heard of that? Buy your own damn contraceptives! Why should the American taxpayer have to pay for your or anyone else's contraceptives? Oh yeah... because otherwise, we'd have to pay for the abortions or pay for the chlid for the next 18 years.

Grow up. Geez, I'm starting to feel you did your dad a favor by rebelling. What a piece of work you are.

I do pay for my own contraceptives. I'm not talking about myself here. I'm talking about idiots that think it's ok to lobby the government because they feel their morality is superior to freedom of choice.

Why do you think you can comment on my family life, by the way? My dad and I are very close, and I only rebelled against his religion, which is just as crappy as any other religion. The real dummies here aren't the Mormons, but the people that claim to have figured out that Mormonism isn't true, yet hang on to some other fairy tale. They are just too scared to admit what is obvious. Uh oh. I might die. Uh oh. Bad things might happen for no reason. Uh oh. There might not be a plan. Uh oh. That's the people I really can't tolerate anymore. What a piece of work you are.

Why don't you just go head up to the mountain Harmony. He's coming. In your lifetime. In your lifetime. . .

[_GoodK]

Chap,

I'm going to respond to those last sentences of harmony's in another way. Here they are:

Why should the American taxpayer have to pay for your or anyone else's contraceptives? Oh yeah... because otherwise, we'd have to pay for the abortions or pay for the chlid for the next 18 years.

1. Foot the bill for contraceptives to underage minors.
2. Pay for abortions for underage minors.
3. Pay for the child is who is the result of unprotected sex by underage minors.

Are these the only available choices? That seems to be the picture that GoodK presents.

It seems to me that society and specifically parents are willing to go belly up on their own children based on the above choices. Is this the best we can come up with?

I really don't need you to paint pictures for me. I presented a picture that looked like this:

Listen, I wouldn't care, but here is the thing:

Kevorkian spent 8 years in the joint, and kids can't get birth control because of you idiots.
Gays can't get married because of you. If you could keep it to yourselves I wouldn't care, but you can't.

You countered with, well kids shouldn't be able to get birth control.

My opinion is that they should, if they need it.

[_Jersey Girl]

You countered with, well kids shouldn't be able to get birth control.

My opinion is that they should, if they need it.

If they need it? Why would they need it?

[_harmony]

I'm sorry, GoodK, this "I have a hard on, please give my gf birth control so I can use it" doctrine is getting a little old. Just because your dick works, doesn't mean you have a right to use it on someone and expect adults to pay for your gf's birth control so you can.

And Jersey Girl and her friends have the right to tell me what to do with my dick.

I rest my case.

Sweetie, I don't give a rat's ass what you do with your dick, as long as I don't have to pay for it in the end. Unfortunately, there are altogether too many children like you running around who haven't grown up enough to be given the right to do what you want to with your dick, because you and they want the fun without the responsibility. Buy your own contraceptives, condoms, whatever. Ever heard of that? Buy your own damn contraceptives! Why should the American taxpayer have to pay for your or anyone else's contraceptives? Oh yeah... because otherwise, we'd have to pay for the abortions or pay for the chlid for the next 18 years.

Grow up. Geez, I'm starting to feel you did your dad a favor by rebelling. What a piece of work you are.

I do pay for my own contraceptives. I'm not talking about myself here.

Then why are you making comments about your dick? You're the one who brought it up, as it were.

I'm talking about idiots that think it's ok to lobby the government because they feel their morality is superior to freedom of choice.

And I'm saying... what the hell are you talking about? In my community, contraceptives are available for free to anyone old enough to need them. The health department provides condoms, Planned Parenthood provides contraceptives. It's not my fault you live in a less enlightened state.

Why do you think you can comment on my family life, by the way?

Because you put it out in public. If you don't want people to comment on something personal, then don't put it on the bulletin board. Basic internet protocol, Sweetie.

Again: grow up.

[_GoodK]

You countered with, well kids shouldn't be able to get birth control.

My opinion is that they should, if they need it.

If they need it? Why would they need it?

They would need it because they are having sex and don't want to get pregnant.
They could be afraid to talk to their parents, they could be poor. There could be a lot a of reasons they need birth control.

Teenagers aren't the best decision makers, and if you think you can just make them wait until they are responsible enough to have sex you must have forgotten what it's like to be a teenager. They are going to do it. Why not at least accommodate the ones that will be responsible enough to ask for birth control.

Let's hear your non-religious explanation.