Mormon forum lights up over California gay change

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moksha wrote:I am thinking how much the LDS reaction to the California Supreme Court decision mirrors their reaction to Brown Vs. The Board of Education. In both examples, you have a court headed by Republican nominees, stepping up and making a big change in the law. In both instances you have conservative members bellyaching how an activist court lead by "those liberals" are overturning the will of the people.


Right, if only majority ruled in this country. Let's scrap the Republic and have tyranny of the majority and life will be lovely.

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Leave it to moniker to introduce the joys of anal sex into this. From one jaundiced perversion to another. This is what usually happens when liberals are allowed to move about without adult supervision.
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Right, if only majority ruled in this country. Let's scrap the Republic and have tyranny of the majority and life will be lovely.



Actually, the constitution was intended to address the tension that exists between the protection of the minority from the majority and the majority from tyrannical minorities. While the majority cannot trample upon the unalienable rights of homosexuals as constitutionally guaranteed, the tiny homosexual minority cannot impose by force of law its own ideology and cultural assumptions upon the majority without restraint. Constitutionally, the majority can impose delimitations upon homosexual's ability to alter the broader culture to their liking, such as openly homosexual Scout leaders, grade school teachers, or the imposing of homosexual ideology upon captive audiences of impressionable grade school children. There is nothing "unconstitutional" about that, or anything immoral or repressive. "Gay" culture must remain, to some degree, for the sake of the survival of the Judeo/Christian moral norms that are society's only defense against ultimate moral/cultural degeneration and collapse, within some buffer zone between it and the natural family.

As marriage is not a "right" at all in any constitutional sense (which is why it is never mentioned, along with many other things, in that document), homosexual marriage should, at all events, be a moot constitutional dead horse. Marriage and family are the core, foundational unit of a free, civil society, and homosexuality, by its very nature, is a direct assault upon that institution. They are mutually exclusive by definition. as well as by the longstanding psychological and sociological imperatives of "Gay" culture.

The idea that the constitution was created solely to protect minorities from majorities is ACLU science fiction, not historical reality
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Droopy wrote:Leave it to moniker to introduce the joys of anal sex into this. From one jaundiced perversion to another. This is what usually happens when liberals are allowed to move about without adult supervision.


But why worry about all the perverts and liberals, Jesus is coming soon. Any day now... are you on your way to Jackson County yet? You should get a move on, he'll be here any day now. Oh yes. Any day now. Moron.
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But why worry about all the perverts and liberals, Jesus is coming soon. Any day now... are you on your way to Jackson County yet? You should get a move on, he'll be here any day now. Oh yes. Any day now. Moron.



Its so refreshing to see such substance in this forum. What more could one ask for?
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Droopy wrote:
But why worry about all the perverts and liberals, Jesus is coming soon. Any day now... are you on your way to Jackson County yet? You should get a move on, he'll be here any day now. Oh yes. Any day now. Moron.



Its so refreshing to see such substance in this forum. What more could one ask for?


Using big words in your simple posts don't constitute substance, either.

Just let me know if you need me to look after your dogs while you're in Jackson County vacationing with Jesus.
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I am thinking how much the LDS reaction to the California Supreme Court decision mirrors their reaction to Brown Vs. The Board of Education. In both examples, you have a court headed by Republican nominees, stepping up and making a big change in the law. In both instances you have conservative members bellyaching how an activist court lead by "those liberals" are overturning the will of the people.


Well, Moksha, that's exactly what has happened. A small cabal of black robed philosopher kings seeking to reorient society according to their own enlightened ideological notions of a "better world" have produced yet another piece of whole cloth judicial legislation, legislation being a political function it has no constitutional business even contemplating.

Our society is now, for all intents and purposes, an oligarchy, accountable legislatures having ceded legislative authority to courts beyond public accountability for reasons of political expediency and the central fact that ideology (someone's ideology) can be imposed on the general culture by judicial fiat while legislatures are deliberative democratic institutions who's member's political careers can be derailed by angry constituents.

What we see here, yet again, is the cultural imperialism of the Left, of which the federal courts are a major institution. Whether homosexuals should be allowed to marry, and by definition deprivilege and draw moral and social equivalence between heterosexual and homosexual sexuality, is a 10th amendment issue that the courts have no business sticking their porcine, power grasping fingers into.
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And in any case, Brown was a civil rights case dealing with race and skin color, a set of conditions over which people have no control. Homosexuality is a set of behaviors relative to human sexuality and a variegated sub-culture supporting and affirming those behaviors, not an inherent human characteristic like race.

The old hobby horse of equating black civil rights issues with homosexual issues is an apples and oranges comparison writ large.
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Using big words in your simple posts don't constitute substance, either.



Then get yourself a dictionary.
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Droopy wrote:
Right, if only majority ruled in this country. Let's scrap the Republic and have tyranny of the majority and life will be lovely.



Actually, the constitution was intended to address the tension that exists between the protection of the minority from the majority and the majority from tyrannical minorities. While the majority cannot trample upon the unalienable rights of homosexuals as constitutionally guaranteed, the tiny homosexual minority cannot impose by force of law its own ideology and cultural assumptions upon the majority without restraint. Constitutionally, the majority can impose delimitations upon homosexual's ability to alter the broader culture to their liking, such as openly homosexual Scout leaders, grade school teachers, or the imposing of homosexual ideology upon captive audiences of impressionable grade school children. There is nothing "unconstitutional" about that, or anything immoral or repressive. "Gay" culture must remain, to some degree, for the sake of the survival of the Judeo/Christian moral norms that are society's only defense against ultimate moral/cultural degeneration and collapse, within some buffer zone between it and the natural family.

As marriage is not a "right" at all in any constitutional sense (which is why it is never mentioned, along with many other things, in that document), homosexual marriage should, at all events, be a moot constitutional dead horse. Marriage and family are the core, foundational unit of a free, civil society, and homosexuality, by its very nature, is a direct assault upon that institution. They are mutually exclusive by definition. as well as by the longstanding psychological and sociological imperatives of "Gay" culture.

The idea that the constitution was created solely to protect minorities from majorities is ACLU science fiction, not historical reality


First off I'm not a liberal. From 18 to late 20's I voted Libertarian in every single election. In my early 20's I was deeply involved in the grass roots aspect of the Libertarian party. Secondly I support women's rights and these are not necessarily linked to liberal or conservative mandates in the way that I support them. Thirdly, I was against going into Iraq because I was actually well aware of what the Powell Doctrine was and is and so I held fast to my support of what I considered wise conservative policy when it came to war -- those that went against this were the ones that flipped over. Fourthly, I'm tired of you lecturing me on political whatever and assuming I had a poor upbringing. I've told you numerous times my father is a staunch conservative that writes for those rags you soak up with little thought -- our family get togethers are fun. :)

Now, as to your tyranny of the majority lack of knowledge. Please do explain why the founding fathers created the electoral college and were terrified of the masses? Go google and get back to me on that, would you know it all of poli-sci 101? I never wrote that the constitution was merely to protect the minority! It's a constant interplay between majority and minority -- yet, if the majority ruled (as in the case of racial integration, women's rights, homosexual rights, disability rights, etc...) and there was not the ability to go against the will of the people then it would be tyranny of the majority. Then try to get it through your skull that the only things that are deemed constitutional or unconstitutional are what the justices decide -- you don't decide that. They do!
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