I think Coggy is admitting that his beloved Republicans have been overrun by leftists who go by the title "neoconservative." These lefty neocons believe in big government, the manipulation of the masses through religion, and American imperialism. So it is the case that what appears to be the "right" in the American spectrum, is really the "left" at its absolute and most cynical worst.
Please go back to the MoveOn.org blog or Michael Moore.com and leave serious political discourse and debate to those who, whether or not they agree, are at least competent to discuss the subject with some degree of credibility.
Droopy wrote:You're the one who has actually, despite all the substantive scholarship to the contrary, still swallows the idea that Fascism, National Socialism, and Marxian Socialism are opposite ideologies arising from completely different mentalities and core assumptions.
Let's talk about who doesn't know what they're talking about.
HAHAHA! Oh, wow. You're desperate. Fascism is on the right of the political ideological spectrum and socialism is on the left.
Insofar as both systems embraced a state-centric absolutism, Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia held more things of significance in common than they didn't.
I think your dichotomy is overstated.
Both absolutistic systems engendered massive murder-based enforcement of their ideals.
Substitute Hitler's unthinking nationalism for Russia's never-realized, unthinking, rule of the proletariat (always at the hands of the elite) in the service of unified socialism and I think it's a wash.
Both ideologies manifestly failed in the 20th C. Moreover, both resulted in the widespread murderous silencing of opposition influences.
The targets differed perhaps, but the end result was largely the same. Except that socialism in those formative years killed lots more folks than Germany's nationalism.
"Lots more" is figured in the millions. One more is too much. Millions more is too much.
The two systems aren't unrelated for all that.
Can you identify the opposite ideologies succinctly?
Chris
Indeed. Other similarities come to the fore when we look at the Nazi party platform. Of the 25 points, 10, 11, 12, 13, 17, 22, and 23 stand out as very similar in nature to both Marxian socialist collectivism and aspects of other form of "democratic" socialism, such as Fabianism and modern liberalism.
Droopy wrote:Please go back to the MoveOn.org blog or Michael Moore.com and leave serious political discourse and debate to those who, whether or not they agree, are at least competent to discuss the subject with some degree of credibility.
So it is true that you have nothing new to say. Go crawl back under the rock you placed in some poor sap's yard yesterday, Loran. You are obviously an ignorant fool who has nothing better to do than to clog up the internet with vapid diatribes thinly veiled with two-dimensional ideological nonsense. It takes more than listing a few names in succession and quoting documents from the net to make an argument. Now go finish your correspondence course in how to be a brown shirt in 21st century America 101 from the Blackwater, Inc. Institute for Sub-morons.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
So it is true that you have nothing new to say. Go crawl back under the rock you placed in some poor sap's yard yesterday, Loran. You are obviously an ignorant fool who has nothing better to do than to clog up the internet with vapid diatribes thinly veiled with two-dimensional ideological nonsense. It takes more than listing a few names in succession and quoting documents from the net to make an argument. Now go finish your correspondence course in how to be a brown shirt in 21st century America 101 from the Blackwater, Inc. Institute for Sub-morons.
You see, I have felt compelled to apologize for similar statements. The typical exmo? Apparantly, our standards are different. Who is going to take Trevor to task here?
Droopy wrote:You see, I have felt compelled to apologize for similar statements. The typical exmo? Apparantly, our standards are different. Who is going to take Trevor to task here?
The difference being that, if I apologized, I would mean it, whereas you do it as a periodic ritual act of self-righteousness. I welcome anyone taking me to task for saying what is true. The only part that is exaggerated is the bit about the correspondence course. But, I would not put it past you to get sucked into a fascist scheme through an appeal to your commitment to God and country. Your church has, after all, become the perfect front for such schemes, and you are ripe for the picking.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”