Question for ex-mo's...are you untrustworthy?

[_Pa Pa]

[quote="Pokatator
You also posted this at CARM.

Where else have you posted this?

Anywhere I like...and anywhere I think that it will serve to make people think about what they do, in relation to the promises they make.

Hey there, Mister Smart Person. Have you fetching kept all your flipping promises you ever fetching made? Huh? Have you, Sir? You darn well know you haven't, dang it. And I don't well like it when a fetching sinner like yourself calls all us flipping sinners. Dang you to heck.[/quote]Why are you trying to destroy the church and hurt those who are members? If so get on with your life and stop it. No one is without sin...least of all me!

[_Pa Pa]

I was joking, as I am sure you know.

Why in the world would I know that? LDS members judge exmembers frequently for drinking alcohol to any degree.

If you are not LDS, you are not commiting sin by drinking...unless you do it to excess. by the way I need an avatar, can you help? I am not very computer savy.

[Guest]

Anywhere I like...and anywhere I think that it will serve to make people think about what they do, in relation to the promises they make.

[quote="antishock8 wrote:Hey there, Mister Smart Person. Have you fetching kept all your flipping promises you ever fetching made? Huh? Have you, Sir? You darn well know you haven't, dang it. And I don't well like it when a fetching sinner like yourself calls all us flipping sinners. Dang you to heck.

Why are you trying to destroy the church and hurt those who are members? If so get on with your life and stop it. No one is without sin...least of all me!

This is my life: To destroy "the Church" and "hurt members"!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[_the road to hana]

I posted this over a MAD...I thought I would get some of your responces...

As most of you know, one can go on to the internet and see the entire Temple Ceremony. This is because of Ex-mos who have broken their word and revealed these ordinances to non-believers.

Even if they no longer believe that these things are of God…they (as part of the endowment) gave their “word” that they would never reveal these things to the world.

So the question?

If they cannot be trusted to “keep their word” (promise) concerning these things. Can we expect them to keep their word concerning anything else, and as such become untrustworthy in all things?

Pa Pa





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It's such a ridiculous question, because those are stolen from the Masons in the first place, which means that Latter-day Saints are not trustworthy.

[_beastie]

Ed Decker.

That may be, although I don't know enough about his life to know. I do know Godmakers was bunk.

by the way I need an avatar, can you help? I am not very computer savy.

You'll have to ask one of the young'uns. They fixed mine up for me by minimizing a picture I stole from someone else's post. ;)

[_skippy the dead]

You'll have to ask one of the young'uns. They fixed mine up for me by minimizing a picture I stole from someone else's post. ;)

Yay! Beastie called me a young'un. That makes my day.

[_skippy the dead]

Pa-pa - a couple of questions for you:

Are you referring specifically to the covenants made to not reveal the names and signs of the various tokens, or do you have something else in mind?

Who do you think the covenant is made with?

What level of disclosure do you think makes an ex-mo untrustworthy? If I discuss the temple rites with my never-mo husband, is that a violation that makes me untrustworthy in all respects? Or are you limiting your condemnation for those who post content on the internet?

I will never pass judgement on what a husband and wife discuss. I am talking about those who live to hurt the church and anyone who is a member of it.

You didn't answer any of my questions. They were serious queries. If it helps to focus, take away the marital communication aspect. Either substitute it with me having a conversation with a friend or something, or ignore it altogether. Can you please answer the other questions?

[_the road to hana]

It's almost as if some perceive the oath they make to not reveal the sacred secrets as giving them carte blanche to lie about them.

I have personally found ex-Mos to be more "trustworthy" than TBMs when it comes to discussion of the temple.

This is a fascinating observation, and one I've also shared.

[_skippy the dead]

So tell me - what covenant prohibits divulging temple content in general? My recollection is that there is a covenant to reveal the names and signs of tokens received. Where is a promise to not talk about "temple content"? Can I talk about any of it? For instance, the initiatory - there's nothing associated with that rite that requires secrecy. Can I talk about that?

While I think that's a fair point, I was read a letter in more recent visit to the temple which causes me to believe that there were some other implicit covenants made about everything. Furthermore, I think that the covenants aren't the whole issue. Much of the issue is the unnecessary hurt caused to Mormons by revealing the temple content. If the temple promises were protecting criminal activity or otherwise dangerous then I could easily see a justification in revealing it, but otherwise I don't see why it's justified in light of the hurt it causes.

I understand the concern. But the original question posed concerned the trustworthiness of those who break some unspecified covenant and disclose temple content, not whether it hurts someone's feelings.

I'm interested in this "implicit covenant" issue. It seems absurd on its face that one would be expected to make covenants that aren't even clearly spelled out. What an odd way to achieve salvation.

[_beastie]

Yay! Beastie called me a young'un. That makes my day.

Don't get too excited. Anyone under 45 is a young'un. :P