Boaz & Lidia wrote:Regardless of facts pointing to a smoking gun, Brigham's actions after the murders were not very becoming of a supposed prophet who spoke with God.
Isn't having Turley doing research to prove BY was not involved like the Nazis hiring one of their own to investigate whether Hitler was involved in the Holocaust?
I guess each would need to be evaluated on the strength of their respective arguments based upon available evidence, prior publications, etc.
Comparing the MMM to the Holocaust is a drastic leap, and Godwin's Law comes to mind, parenthetically. Did anyone else notice?
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
antishock8 wrote:CFR!!! CFR!!! I DEMAND A CFR!!! CFR!!! lol... assholes...
"This is an excellent example of the often futile nature of discussion on this board," he said sanctimoniously.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
antishock8 wrote:CFR!!! CFR!!! I DEMAND A CFR!!! CFR!!! lol... assholes...
"This is an excellent example of the often futile nature of discussion on this board," he said sanctimoniously.
Well! Look who's back! Everybody's favorite buck-toothed, homophobic, cloud-gazing Mickey Mouse fetishist. Please correct me if I'm wrong, my dear Blair , but did you not say that you were leaving? I guess this makes you a liar, too! Yippee!
Merc: I quickly skimmed through some sections of Blood of the Prophets but didn't find a reference to Brigham Young and a carriage, though I believe Bagley may be your source on this one. Do you have a page number?
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Comparing the MMM to the Holocaust is a drastic leap, and Godwin's Law comes to mind, parenthetically. Did anyone else notice?
Violating (or fulfilling) Godwin's law is not a punishable offense on this board.
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Comparing the MMM to the Holocaust is a drastic leap, and Godwin's Law comes to mind, parenthetically. Did anyone else notice?
Violating (or fulfilling) Godwin's law is not a punishable offense on this board.
I'm well aware of that. I just think it is too bad that comments like that usually slip by on this board without notice.
Still waiting on that source, thanks Merc.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
Mister Scratch wrote:Well! Look who's back! Everybody's favorite buck-toothed, homophobic, cloud-gazing Mickey Mouse fetishist. Please correct me if I'm wrong, my dear Blair, but did you not say that you were leaving? I guess this makes you a liar, too! Yippee!
:-(
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
Trevor wrote:I seem to recall that there is a crucial page missing from the journal of someone who met with Brigham Young before the massacre. Does anyone remember more of the details?
Juanita Brooks wrote this and was referring to Jacob Hamblin's diary (he was the southern Utah Indian MP at the time, and brought southern Utah Indian leaders to meet with BY in SLC on Sept. 1). Dimick Huntington's diary discusses this same meeting (i.e., the entry about BY giving the Indians the cattle on the south route).
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
I guess we'd want to know what the Indians at the meeting with BY did during the MMM. (According to one source, they were nowhere near the MMM).
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote:I guess we'd want to know what the Indians at the meeting with BY did during the MMM. (According to one source, they were nowhere near the MMM).
I was that source. However, since my artcle, I have read a journal with what appears to be a wildly mispelled name of one of the Indians, identifying him as there. It seems impossible, as he was shortly thereafter in Salt Lake being ordained an elder, but I have come across a conflicting and credible source. Tutsegabbits is one spelling. So I no longer feel comfortable about making that argument. Neither Brooks or Bagley caught this; I don't know if I could find the recent find in my notes too easily.