Search for POLYGAMY on josephsmith.net

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cksalmon wrote:Yes, there are "references," but, let's not kid ourselves, or each other: this just isn't something the LDS Church wishes to reveal to investigators front and center.

Not just investigators, but the members as well.

Growing up in the church I was never told that JSjr had multiple wives (same for all my family and friends). It was all about Emma only. That wasn't very smart of them, because that information would not have affected my faith in the least. But we do look stupid when we call people lying anti-Mormons and then turn out to be wrong.
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A site about Joseph Smith that provides a search facility which fails to bring up any reference to polygamy, or plural marriage, and which provides only "Emma Smith' when searched for 'marriage' or 'wife', and has information on Eliza Snow without mentioning she was married to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young


You didn't look very hard.

is not trying to keep certain information out of the foreground of attention, you think?


Perhaps not. After all, plural marriage has not been practiced among us for a long time now.

You expect this to be taken seriously?


I do.
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bcspace wrote:
A site about Joseph Smith that provides a search facility which fails to bring up any reference to polygamy, or plural marriage, and which provides only "Emma Smith' when searched for 'marriage' or 'wife', and has information on Eliza Snow without mentioning she was married to Joseph Smith and Brigham Young


You didn't look very hard.


I used the ***!!?* SEARCH facility provided by the website. That counts as looking hard enough to find whatever the webmaster wants me to find.

is not trying to keep certain information out of the foreground of attention, you think?


Perhaps not. After all, plural marriage has not been practiced among us for a long time now.


Precisely the reason why Joseph Smith's enthusiastic advocacy of the practice is something one would expect you to want to conceal. And guess what? That is what the website does.

You expect this to be taken seriously?


I do.


ROTFLMAO

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Re: Search for POLYGAMY on josephsmith.net

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Infymus wrote:Search for POLYGAMY on josephsmith.net

Result?

"Your search for polygamy has returned 0 results in JosephSmith.net."

Who owns josephsmith.net?

Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
50 East North Temple Street
Salt Lake City, UT 84150-3011
US
1-801-240-3959 fax: 1-801-240-1187

According to the Mormon Cult, Joseph Smith had nothing to do at all with Polygamy.

So stop confusing them with those darned fundamentalists!


Now infymus, pay close attention. I agree with you. This is troublesome and bothers me. A lot. See. I do agree with you sometimes.


When are you turning in you resignation? To not do so would be intellectually dishonest.
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bcspace wrote:
According to the Mormon Cult, Joseph Smith had nothing to do at all with Polygamy.


I seem to recall a similar claim from another thread not too long ago. I also seem to recall that it took less than 5 minutes to find references on josephsmith.net about his plural marriages. I checked and they are still there. So as before, I will leave the proof to the student as finding these references was so easy that one can only conclude that Infymus has a very low IQ or an agenda to bash the Church by lying about it.


What do I need to search for to find these references, BCSPace? Could you provide links?

I'm just not having any luck using the site's search function:


Your search for plural has returned 0 results in JosephSmith.net.

Your search for "celestial marriage" has returned 0 results in JosephSmith.net.

"eternal marriage" search results make no mention of polygamy

"everlasting covenant of marriage" search results make no mention of polygamy.

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OK...if you plug in "eternal marriage" to the search feature, you will come across a group of links. One of these is labeled, "Red Brick Store-Key Events".

Clicking on this link takes you to a group of scriptures. The last of the scriptures listed is D&C Section 132. If you click on the tab that is labeled "Readings", and then click on "Doctrinal Developments in Nauvoo", it will take you to the following .pdf file, which is part of a CES manual. If you scroll down to the section on plural marriage, it says the following:



The law of celestial marriage, as outlined in this revelation, also included
the principle of the plurality of wives. In 1831 as Joseph Smith labored on the
inspired translation of the holy scriptures, he asked the Lord how he justified
the practice of plural marriage among the Old Testament patriarchs. This
question resulted in the revelation on celestial marriage, which included an
answer to his question about the plural marriages of the patriarchs.11
First the Lord explained that for any covenant, including marriage, to be
valid in eternity it must meet three requirements (see D&C 132:7): (1) It
must be “made and entered into and sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise.”
(2) It must be performed by the proper priesthood authority. (3) It must be
by “revelation and commandment” through the Lord’s anointed prophet
(see also vv. 18–19). Using Abraham as an example, the Lord said he
“received all things, whatsoever he received, by revelation and
commandment, by my word” (v. 29). Consequently, the Lord asked, “Was
Abraham, therefore, under condemnation? Verily I say unto you, Nay; for I,
the Lord, commanded it” (v. 35).
Moreover, Joseph Smith and the Church were to accept the principle of
plural marriage as part of the restoration of all things (see v. 45).
Accustomed to conventional marriage patterns, the Prophet was at first
understandably reluctant to engage in this new practice. Due to a lack of
historical documentation, we do not know what his early attempts were to
comply with the commandment in Ohio. His first recorded plural marriage
in Nauvoo was to Louisa Beaman; it was performed by Bishop Joseph B.
Noble on 5 April 1841.12 During the next three years Joseph took additional
plural wives in accordance with the Lord’s commands.
As members of the Council of the Twelve Apostles returned from their
missions to the British Isles in 1841, Joseph Smith taught them one by one
the doctrine of plurality of wives, and each experienced some difficulty in
understanding and accepting this doctrine.13 Brigham Young, for example,
recounted his struggle: “I was not desirous of shrinking from any duty, nor
of failing in the least to do as I was commanded, but it was the first time in
my life that I had desired the grave, and I could hardly get over it for a long
time. And when I saw a funeral, I felt to envy the corpse its situation, and
to regret that I was not in the coffin.”14
After their initial hesitancy and frustration, Brigham Young and others
of the Twelve received individual confirmations from the Holy Spirit and
accepted the new doctrine of plural marriage. They knew that Joseph Smith
was a prophet of God in all things. At first the practice was kept secret and
was very limited. Rumors began to circulate about authorities of the Church
having additional wives, which greatly distorted the truth and contributed
to increased persecution from apostates and outsiders. Part of the difficulty,
of course, was the natural aversion Americans held against “polygamy.”
This new system appeared to threaten the strongly entrenched tradition of
monogamy and the solidarity of the family structure. Later, in Utah, the
Saints openly practiced “the principle,” but never without persecution.



This is the full reference link:

http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/Chrc ... 000_23.pdf

So there you have it, folks!

BC was right about the references being there.

But I don't think the Church is just trying to openly broadcast the information. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so difficult to find. And, why aren't there any direct references on the site, itself? You would think that the plural marriages would be recorded clearly in the open on a site which includes the supposed history and lineage of Joseph Smith.
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Re: Search for POLYGAMY on josephsmith.net

Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

Mercury wrote:
Jason Bourne wrote:
Now infymus, pay close attention. I agree with you. This is troublesome and bothers me. A lot. See. I do agree with you sometimes.


When are you turning in you resignation? To not do so would be intellectually dishonest.
He does not believe in Mormonism. He goes for the social aspect.

As shallow of a social life as it may be, he likes it apparently...
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

Chap wrote:
Boaz & Lidia wrote:Even less mention of the founding principles of celestial marriage and "forever families" on a site operated by his ancestors: http://www.josephsmithjr.org/achievements.html



ancestors - > descendants

Or are they running this site from somewhere up in the Celestial Kingdom?

(Thought: is there a record of Joseph Smith doing the 'temple work' for his ancestors?)
oh duh on me!

Too much talk about necro dunking I guess...
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

liz3564 wrote:OK...if you plug in "eternal marriage" to the search feature, you will come across a group of links. One of these is labeled, "Red Brick Store-Key Events".

Clicking on this link takes you to a group of scriptures. The last of the scriptures listed is D&C Section 132. If you click on the tab that is labeled "Readings", and then click on "Doctrinal Developments in Nauvoo", it will take you to the following .pdf file, which is part of a CES manual. If you scroll down to the section on plural marriage, it says the following:


Moreover, Joseph Smith and the Church were to accept the principle of plural marriage as part of the restoration of all things (see v. 45).
I have heard that excuse too many times with nothing to back it up.

If I understand the story correctly, Christ came to the earth and setup a church. So since the excuse has been that polygamy/polyandry were part of a complete restoration of Christ's church, exactly as it was when Christ set it up, where was this supposedly important principle of plural marriage discussed and detailed in the New Testament??

Furthermore, is there any archaeological evidence that proves polygamy was practiced by significant portion of Christ's followers???
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Post by _bcspace »

I used the ***!!?* SEARCH facility provided by the website. That counts as looking hard enough to find whatever the webmaster wants me to find.


All I did was go through the list of topics.
Machina Sublime
Satan's Plan Deconstructed.
Your Best Resource On Joseph Smith's Polygamy.
Conservatism is the Gospel of Christ and the Plan of Salvation in Action.
The Degeneracy Of Progressivism.
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