MA&D's passionate love affair with the FLDS church

[_truth dancer]

Lest we forget, Helen Mar was fourteen years old when Joseph Smith made his proposition, to which she accepted.

~dancer~

[_TAK]

Steve Benson made a post over on RFM about the authorities releasing evidences. I can't post a link to his thread from RFM but here's a link to the evidences that were released. This in now way, should be considered the only evidence. They are images of WJ and his child brides. If the thought of that doesn't disturb you, I think the pictures will.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0527081flds1.html

I have seen alot of sick stuff on the internet but that has to be about the worse..

The defense of these sick bastards by the MADites only confirms there is not that much difference in the mindset.

[_Jersey Girl]

The photos make it a little too real, don't they.

[_TAK]

The photos make it a little too real, don't they.

More than that .. the fact they are posed tells me they have not a second thought about how they treat young girls.
Its almost like a trophy for Jeffs.

[Guest]

As MBeesley's comment demonstrates, many refuse to believe there is abuse going on because as he says, "I have not seen any evidence of abuse". How do you counter that? This is what I've had to deal with on the FLDS threads...people who insist the abuse is only allegations, there is no proof. But from "allegations" comes investigation and "proof" will only come thorough investigation. If authorities in Texas don't continue their investigation, the FLDS will just retreat further from the scrutiny of the law and there will be no hope for the next generation.

And this is the kind of thing I have to deal wih in people are seemingly ignorant about the law, about probable cause, about unwarranted intrusions into peoples lives based on mere suspicion, etc. Cut the crap A.I. and quit twisting the arguments. Dr. Shades' twisting is enough for this thread.

Beesley, do you accept:

1) that the phone calls to the abuse shelter (not known by the state, at the time, to be a hoax, and not even 100% certainly all hoaxes even now) constituted sufficient probable cause for the state CPS to enter the compound looking for "Sarah Jessop Barlow"?

Yes.

2) that, once in the compound, two or three dozen pregnant young teenaged girls constituted probable cause to suspect that statutory rape had gone on, and that a large number of girls were affected by it?

Is this a hypothetical, or an attempt at a statement of the actual facts, because as far as I know, there is no evidence that there were 24 to 36 pregnant teenagers.

3) that, based on statements by people, including children, in the compound, that no age was too young for a girl to be married, it was clear that this was part of a pattern and practice that was widespread amongst the FLDS community?

Again, is this a hypothetical or an attempt at a statement of actual facts, because as far as I know, there is no evidence of a pattern and practie that was widespread. That seems to be more propoganda than actual fact.

[_asbestosman]

This in now way, should be considered the only evidence. They are images of WJ and his child brides. If the thought of that doesn't disturb you, I think the pictures will.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0527081flds1.html

I have not, do not, and will not defend Warren Jeffs.

I have not, do not, and will not defend child abuse.

I have said we should be cautious about caution. Innocent people were hurt with the Satanic Ritual Abuse scare.

[_beastie]

Again, is this a hypothetical or an attempt at a statement of actual facts, because as far as I know, there is no evidence of a pattern and practie that was widespread. That seems to be more propoganda than actual fact.

Mbeesley may be right. Perhaps it's just The Prophet who is entitled to the youngest females, 12, 13 year olds. The other guys have to settle for old ones, you know, the 18 year olds.

Kind of like how Joseph got to take other men's wives. Being The Prophet has its privileges.

[_Dr. Shades]

Mbeesley:

Would you feel that way if you weren't a Mormon?

[_moksha]

This kiss between twelve year old Loretta and Prophet Warren may not excite the conservative heart like opposing the actions of the "dag blamed gubmint", but it does tend to put in perspective what those CPS workers were concerned about.

[_Jersey Girl]

This in now way, should be considered the only evidence. They are images of WJ and his child brides. If the thought of that doesn't disturb you, I think the pictures will.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0527081flds1.html

I have not, do not, and will not defend Warren Jeffs.

I have not, do not, and will not defend child abuse.

I have said we should be cautious about caution. Innocent people were hurt with the Satanic Ritual Abuse scare.

Huh? That wasn't directed at you in any way at all, abman. If you thought it was, you were mistaken.

Heck.