Noah's Ark & The Global Flood

[_Jersey Girl]

Let me offer up my own flood story which happened when I was say around 7 years old and when my own knowledge of the world and lack of mobility would have been possibly comparable to that of the ancients.

JERSEY GIRL'S FLOOD STORY

When I was a young girl, I was told that a hurricane was headed for my home town. I didn't know what a hurricane was but I understood that something serious was about to happen and that my family had a limited amount of time to prepare. I stood in the street and said goodbye to my best friend (who had no more awareness than I what was about to happen) because I wasn't sure if I would ever see her again. To both of us, it felt like the end of the world was coming.

My family gathered in the upper level of the house with food and a radio.

The winds were frightening, the house shook from them and it rained torrents. When we looked out the window we could see flood waters rising that ended up coming about 6 feet in the street. At one point I saw a friends father who stood at least 6 ft tall walking down the street with his hands floating a small boat. All you could see were his head and his arms floating the boat. He was on a rescue squad and I later learned, he was floating the boat to rescue the blind man down the street who had had a heart attack. (The rescue and life saving efforts were successful)

During the storm, flood waters entered our house up to around 3 feet or so in the lower level. Fortunately, that's as high as they went.

After the storm was over, the flood water remained in the street for a few days or so. I saw furniture and other objects floating down the street. The boats had apparently lost their mooring and were out in the street as well. A rooftop from the Harbor Master's building was in the marina. Pilings were uprooted everywhere.

When the waters subsided, there were dead fish, crabs and other types of sea/land animals in the streets and in our houses. Carcasses were everywhere. While our houses remained, our neighborhood looked totally destroyed. Some people had no water and some had no power at all.

Homes, cars, furniture and life was damaged and destroyed. Everything I knew as the world was destroyed.

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There, do you all see the perspective of the ancients now?

[_bcspace]

What ground?

The 'ground' referred to in Genesis 7 verse 23:

Do you have a problem with the original scripture, or with the translation .... or did you just not realise I was quoting the Bible. Don't you read the Bible much?

I'm quite certain I read the Bible far more than you. Have you checked on the possible Hebrew definitions for earth and ground yet?

[_cinepro]

Sure. What's wrong with that? It then becomes clear that a catastrophic event occured which was intepreted by later generations to be world-wide or greater than it was.

But that's just it. It hasn't "become clear" to those the Lord has given power to interpret the scriptures and declare the doctrine to the world.

Even after science and internet Mormons have come to grips with the fact that the flood was local, thousands of people survived not even knowing there was a flood, most species of plants and animals were untouched, and the covenant with the Rainbow apparently didn't mean anything, the Lord's Prophets and Apostles are still insisting that the flood covered the whole Earth and only 8 humans survived it.

Frankly, if the Prophets and Apostles could get something so simple so totally wrong, it really takes my confidence in them down a few notches, especially when it comes to something more complicated than whether or not every living human (save 8) was drowned by God about 4,000 years ago.

It especially give me pause when considering how much confidence I should place in their predictions for the future. I mean, if even to this day they can't get the scope and effects of Noah's flood right, do I really think they can see the future?

[_bcspace]

Exactly my take, bcspace. Having participated in more than my fair share of flood threads, let me prepare you for the next round of challenges. You're going to be asked why Jesus referred to the flood in the New Testament.

And Peter as well. ;)

[_moksha]

This is merely a Bible story that undoubtedly had its origins in much older oral traditions. Perhaps it is a variation of the flood from the Epic of Gilgamesh. It is best appreciated as allegory from which symbolic meaning can be drawn.

[_Jersey Girl]

Inc,

I'm replying to just your post last and then I'm seriously off to the pool.

As Infymus accurately noted, modern Mormon prophets have testified that the entire earth was baptised in water (just as the earth will be burned akin to baptism by fire).

"Everything drowned but the fish and the crap in the poo bomb (ark)" - Gordon B. Hinkley

(- or something like that)

This ends any further speculation from a true follower of Mormon prophets (a TBM), like bcspace.

Pitman and whoever's theory is a non-issue in this light (or darkness whatever).


Jersey Girl, tell me what you really think.

What I really think is that people like you and also Infymus, choose to stuff people into a box based on the doctrines/teachings of

their own church when nothing they've said is based on the doctrines/teachings of their church.


What I really think is that people like you and also Infymus, do not allow for the fact that active LDS are just as capable of

thought as you were when you decided the doctrines/teachings of the church were false/untrue...

and instead of extending yourselves to them by engaging in topics on the screen, you choose to needle the personal flippin' hell out

of them in lieu of engaging productive dialogue.


What I really think is that some of you have traded the black and white compartmentalized thinking of your prior church for black

and white compartmentalized thinking of church opposition. Some of you use TBM's as nothing more than targets, do not allow them

the journey that you extended to your own self, engage in extreme rhetoric, needling, mocking because they are thinking

members of the LDS Church and somehow, some of you think you have the right to hand down judgement on the choices they

make regarding said membership, that you throw in their faces and call them hypocrites when the hypocrisy is on those who walked

the path to the exit door and cannot resist the urge to mock those who choose a path what you did not because you foolishly think

that one's integrity/courage is determined by which side of the exit door they stand.


That's what I really think and thanks for asking.

[_Inconceivable]

JERSEY GIRL'S FLOOD STORY... bla bla bla

..There, do you all see the perspective of the ancients now?

I didn't think you were that old.

[_bcspace]

Sure. What's wrong with that? It then becomes clear that a catastrophic event occured which was intepreted by later generations to be world-wide or greater than it was.

But that's just it. It hasn't "become clear" to those the Lord has given power to interpret the scriptures and declare the doctrine to the world.

I certainly don't believe the Lord has revealed all. Imho, the Lord has not revealed anything new regarding these matters so the Church simply adopted standard old Christian thinking on the subject.

Even after science and internet Mormons have come to grips with the fact that the flood was local, thousands of people survived not even knowing there was a flood,

By this logic, you're admitting there was a global flood at the appropriate time since most ancient cultures have a flood story. Do you personally believe that there was a global flood?

most species of plants and animals were untouched,

How is that a problem?

and the covenant with the Rainbow apparently didn't mean anything,

Sodom and Gomorah would certainly disagree with you.

the Lord's Prophets and Apostles are still insisting that the flood covered the whole Earth and only 8 humans survived it.

I think they're simply reiterating the scriptures without attempting to make interpretations.

Frankly, if the Prophets and Apostles could get something so simple so totally wrong, it really takes my confidence in them down a few notches, especially when it comes to something more complicated than whether or not every living human (save 8) was drowned by God about 4,000 years ago.

Now you are assuming there has been a modern revelation on the subject.

It especially give me pause when considering how much confidence I should place in their predictions for the future. I mean, if even to this day they can't get the scope and effects of Noah's flood right, do I really think they can see the future?

What future predictions have the modern prophets made that you disagree with? Methinks you don't know what prophecy is.

[_Inconceivable]

Inc,

I'm replying to just your post last and then I'm seriously off to the pool.

- reply -

That's what I really think and thanks for asking.

Thanks Jersey Girl, you're welcome.

If it's bright outside, it's because of this thing called the sun. It's really hot too.

Even if you may not acknowledge it, wair the sunblock.

Keep in mind the sunblock's purpose is to block the suns rays, not to deny it's existance.

have a nice day.

[_Sethbag]

Sure. What's wrong with that? It then becomes clear that a catastrophic event occured which was intepreted by later generations to be world-wide or greater than it was.

Exactly my take, bcspace. Having participated in more than my fair share of flood threads, let me prepare you for the next round of challenges. You're going to be asked why Jesus referred to the flood in the New Testament.

Been there, done that.

Right, and this criticism has never been reasonably defended against. So you'll keep hearing it, again and again, until it sinks in: the Noah's Ark story is a very serious credibility buster to any Prophet, Seer, Revelator, or Son of God who teaches it as a global flood, because that's just plain wrong, and these folks, if they were really what they claim to be, ought to know better.

If you like, I can post the response to that right now or let you do the responding.
;-)

Go ahead and amaze us all with the successful counter-argument to the idea that a half-man/half God person, who actually created the Earth, couldn't tell the difference between a global flood and a local one.