Gay LDS group Urge Church Not to Fight CA Court Ruling
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The church may not be fighting the court ruling, but the Utah Attorney General is trying to. Shurtleff has filed a brief on behalf of Utah and 9 other Republican attorneys general with the California Supreme Court requesting that they delay the effect of the ruling until after the November election, in hopes that the state votes to amend the constitution to prohibit gay marriage. Even the California Attorney General has said that postponing implementation of the ruling would withhold rights from couples who are now entitled to them.
The San Francisco City Attorney said it best: "To further delay constitutional rights to gay and lesbian partners based on political conjecture as to whether or not an amendment will pass - or even qualify for the ballot - would be both unprecedented and inhumane."
Butt out, Utah!
The San Francisco City Attorney said it best: "To further delay constitutional rights to gay and lesbian partners based on political conjecture as to whether or not an amendment will pass - or even qualify for the ballot - would be both unprecedented and inhumane."
Butt out, Utah!
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skippy the dead wrote:The church may not be fighting the court ruling, but the Utah Attorney General is trying to. Shurtleff has filed a brief on behalf of Utah and 9 other Republican attorneys general with the California Supreme Court requesting that they delay the effect of the ruling until after the November election, in hopes that the state votes to amend the constitution to prohibit gay marriage. Even the California Attorney General has said that postponing implementation of the ruling would withhold rights from couples who are now entitled to them.
The San Francisco City Attorney said it best: "To further delay constitutional rights to gay and lesbian partners based on political conjecture as to whether or not an amendment will pass - or even qualify for the ballot - would be both unprecedented and inhumane."
Butt out, Utah!
I can see why they want to wait. "Full faith and credit" is probably going to end up being redefined due to this issue.
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The Nehor wrote:I can see why they want to wait. "Full faith and credit" is probably going to end up being redefined due to this issue.
Has it been a problem for Mass.? I haven't heard of some invasion of married gays fanning across the country leaving destruction in their wake.
And unfortunately for them, waiting for uncertain events (i.e., an election 5 months away) is not a reason to deny what has been determined to be constitutionally provided.
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I truly doubt that the church will change until it's politically pushed to change.
This has only happened once, with polygamy, and in that case a practices was abandoned so that the general work of the Church could continue. The Church does not bend to political pressure. Like 7-Up, never has, never will. Ceasing a practice like polygamy is very different than altering a core value or doctrine. And, since the Church has no power whatever over any homosexual, and no affect on his life or ability to succeed, attempting to force the Church to alter its position on homosexual behavior is purly a cultural gratuity of the kind traditionally favored by the Left, who must invade every aspect of cultural life, even the conscience of the individual, before it is satisfied.
Oh and just to put it out there: I don't think being gay is just something somebody chooses, I mean seriously there's a lot of challenges that society forces gay people to go through. I don't think people choose it for the hell of it or because it's some trial that somebody needs to overcome. I also think that gay behavior is not an addiction.
You fail to mention the distinct possibility that the hugely disproportionate rates of drug use, alcoholism, suicide, and emotional torment that is a major traditional feature of the Gay subculture may be a fundamental feature of that lifestyle itself, and only little connected to external cultural opprobrium (which, in modern Western cultures, including American, is minimal at best).
No, homosexuality is not an addiction. It is, I think properly understood, a form of sexual fetish; a distortion of normal psychosexual development that has analogs in other sexual deviancies or perversions in which human sexuality is diverted from its normative, healthy development toward what is perceived to be an all encompassing fixation or focus which comes to define that persons sexuality (and hence, the perception of homoerotic desires as a total "orientation".
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skippy the dead wrote:The Nehor wrote:I can see why they want to wait. "Full faith and credit" is probably going to end up being redefined due to this issue.
Has it been a problem for Mass.? I haven't heard of some invasion of married gays fanning across the country leaving destruction in their wake.
And unfortunately for them, waiting for uncertain events (I.e., an election 5 months away) is not a reason to deny what has been determined to be constitutionally provided.
There have been some things going on in Mass. from what I've heard. No matter what happens I expect the legislative and judicial battles ahead will be very interesting.
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Droopy wrote:I truly doubt that the church will change until it's politically pushed to change.
This has only happened once, with polygamy, and in that case a practices was abandoned so that the general work of the Church could continue. The Church does not bend to political pressure. Like 7-Up, never has, never will. Ceasing a practice like polygamy is very different than altering a core value or doctrine. And, since the Church has no power whatever over any homosexual, and no affect on his life or ability to succeed, attempting to force the Church to alter its position on homosexual behavior is purly a cultural gratuity of the kind traditionally favored by the Left, who must invade every aspect of cultural life, even the conscience of the individual, before it is satisfied.
black priesthood anyone?
Oh and when those lefts fought for woman's rights, black and white equality, and against the hatered of gay people (which is still going on). My god they definitely where just trying to invade every aspect of cultural rights. No they didn't just think that it was something that was wrong and had to be stopped, they just wanted to invade the conscience of individuals everywhere!
Droopy wrote:Oh and just to put it out there: I don't think being gay is just something somebody chooses, I mean seriously there's a lot of challenges that society forces gay people to go through. I don't think people choose it for the hell of it or because it's some trial that somebody needs to overcome. I also think that gay behavior is not an addiction.
You fail to mention the distinct possibility that the hugely disproportionate rates of drug use, alcoholism, suicide, and emotional torment that is a major traditional feature of the Gay subculture may be a fundamental feature of that lifestyle itself, and only little connected to external cultural opprobrium (which, in modern Western cultures, including American, is minimal at best).
No, homosexuality is not an addiction. It is, I think properly understood, a form of sexual fetish; a distortion of normal psychosexual development that has analogs in other sexual deviancies or perversions in which human sexuality is diverted from its normative, healthy development toward what is perceived to be an all encompassing fixation or focus which comes to define that persons sexuality (and hence, the perception of homoerotic desires as a total "orientation".
The fact that in years past homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness. Gay bashings and homophobia, the real exsistance of being taught that you're sinful and immoral because of how you feel, and the many "treatments" for being gay out there. Also the fact that homosexuality is not yet protected by the laws, and that "Sodomy," which has many definitions in law, is illegal for everyone in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia. and in addition, four contiguous states, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas, criminalize certain forms of sexual behavior between persons of the same gender, but permit them if performed by a man and woman.
No that has to be just a small impact on why some gay people are suffering, or why they turn to drugs, alcohol or suicide.
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black priesthood anyone?
Yes please. With cream and two lumps...
The idea that the Church bowed to political pressure as late as 1978 in extending the Priesthood to Black people is a useful assumption for a secularist or one otherwise hostile to the Church, but it is no more than that, a useful assumption. There are other possibilities.
The fact that in years past homosexuality used to be considered a mental illness. Gay bashings and homophobia, the real exsistance of being taught that you're sinful and immoral because of how you feel, and the many "treatments" for being gay out there. Also the fact that homosexuality is not yet protected by the laws, and that "Sodomy," which has many definitions in law, is illegal for everyone in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia. and in addition, four contiguous states, Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma and Texas, criminalize certain forms of sexual behavior between persons of the same gender, but permit them if performed by a man and woman.
No that has to be just a small impact on why some gay people are suffering, or why they turn to drugs, alcohol or suicide.
Make an argument Fang, because I'm not going to wade through a scattergun of leftist can't and homosexual movement direct mailing propaganda. As you know perfectly well, sodomy laws are actually enforced precisely nowhere. Mixing the concepts of mental illness, physical violence against homosexuals, and the cultural warfare term "homophobia" with "being taught that you're sinful and immoral because of how you feel, and the many "treatments" for being gay out there" is in incoherent mix of some real justifiable concerns homosexuals have had with Kulturkamph against any principled dissent from acceptance of homosexual behavior (which, as with most on the Left, is, I suspect, your actual intention).
Homosexuality is a deep and internally conflicted perversion of a fundamental feature of human identity and self concept, and that is what produces the disproportionate social pathology within the Gay subculture. The fact that homosexuality came to a unique point in societal time at which it found a political voice, and learned to manipulate the media and the political class to its own advantage masks the stark psychological, moral and spiritual realities of homosexuality with ideology and "rights" talk, the masks of choice for much of the last 35 to 40 years.
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Droopy wrote:And, since the Church has no power whatever over any homosexual, and no affect on his life or ability to succeed, attempting to force the Church to alter its position on homosexual behavior is purly a cultural gratuity of the kind traditionally favored by the Left, who must invade every aspect of cultural life, even the conscience of the individual, before it is satisfied.
Good thing conservatives have never presumed to dictate to others what's right and what's wrong in the hope that they'll alter their position.
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Gazelam wrote:Is there some way possible to take this group of "gay Mormons", who already understand that they are damned, to commit some type of group suicide and stop embarassing us?
Wow. Uhh, that's hate speech.
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Infymus wrote:Gazelam wrote:Is there some way possible to take this group of "gay Mormons", who already understand that they are damned, to commit some type of group suicide and stop embarassing us?
Yep, you are a farker.
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