BARFmail - Packer Speaks from Internet Chainletter

[_EAllusion]

It's actually a good idea to keep about 1/3 of your credit card balance in revolving debt. This is the most effective way to ratchet up your FICO score. First this will allow you to expand your credit more quickly with the CC companies. Then, if you are about to lose your job, your killer credit will allow you to secure a major loan with more favorable terms than your credit cards will ever provide for. And you always got the rest of your CC balances.

[_Mercury]

My little family is pretty poor, thus not a lot of extra dough for food storage. Thus we planted a little garden this Spring. It's a little, but hey, it's what we could do.

Actually, unless you have free water, don't buy the plants or seeds, use no fertilizer, and don't count the labor and time, buying canned food is cheaper than growing your own. Of course, there's nothing like a home-grown tomato, fresh from the vine, with a little salt... And let's not forget benefits of fresh air and hard work! But if we're just counting pennies, it's cheaper to buy them canned. It's definitely cheaper to buy them canned than to try preserving them yourself.

A. Canned food does not keep forever. Google Botulism.
B. What do you do if there are no stores to buy food in? You grow it.

[_Mercury]

This was passed around in my ward. Stuff like this pops up all the time. Maybe he said it maybe not. But the Church leaders have said that people should not circulate stuff like this. They don't like to be quoted from off the cuff remarks. Direction like this typically comes in formal training of area 70s, SPs at GC and letters.

Yes yes, but what of the cultural illuminations can you pick from bth the content and the situation of notes such as these bandy about the different socioeconomic classification systems you call wards and stakes.

[_Mercury]

dude, food is nothing. this food storage mentality is ridiculous. A Mormon Journal reads, "...A month later, I found myself out of work. And I thanked the Lord for the principle of food storage, for our family did sup together from the goods previously stored up in sacredness within the pony wall."

The problem with being out of a job isn't food. seriously. I could eat for like 20$ a week if I had to. You can get a huge bag of egg noodles for 1$ that will fill you for three or four days (don't tell Gaz, wouldn't want to deprive him of the lessons learned from a month of making noodles from raw ingredients in his garage). No chance of starving in this economy. The problem with being out of a job is making mortgage payments and car payments. Stuff like that. Which is why I say, get the credit cards and the HELOC, but keep it all zeros until there's a problem. Food isn't going to save you from being evicted or foreclosed on. Eating is the easy part.

This drew my attention as well. Packer or whomever the hell wrote this piece are going for the gonads, the Mad Max road warrior post apocalyptic Vault 13 kinda crap.

For those of you who didn't get the Vault 13 reference, I pity you.

heres a hint:

[_Mercury]

I wonder if times are going to be tough on people or the church as the rumors that I hear is that they are not getting too many white american males as converts. This appears to be their bread and butter.

as for energy: I think you will see huge developments in car battery's and hybrids in the next twenty years and good old saudi arabia will be about as important as belize.

But an Obama win may hasten an acoplyptic moment for the world if we pull out of iraq, which results in a shite sponsered genocide, which results in refugees, which results in chaos in the middle east which means twenty dollars a gallon of gas in 2010 which results in a complete world melt down and wars and rumors of wars and more wars.

The problem is that the soviet block, south america (for the most part), Africa, etc etc where the church is "growing" are not profitable ventures. The true behavior of the business will fall into non fundable teritory and we will see this start to force the hand of the church to cut missionary function. Problem is that the gullible vector will go terminal and likely the overseas operations will drag Mormonism into the red.

The church will start to truly need a crash cart and code blue when they start selling off their assets, they will not be able to borrow money from high level banks and ventures such as the mall will spark the end of the partners and spinoff partnerships of LDS Inc.

That day will come. The internet has, is and will continue the culmination of this. Glorious, really.

[_karl61]

When I look back at the early late 70's and early 80's in western orange county, ca (I rode my bike past knotts berry farm to go to work) that the wards were like 30 percent full and most of those were families taking up entire middle bench. in the three buildings that were in out stake, you could have actually used just the stake center and you would have started at 7:00 am and maybe went until 7:pm but you would have been using the buildings and saving money. Now it looks like that members paid tithing and ward budget to keep them selves in a separate buidlings. They could have also combined two or three wards so that the chapel was filled. I don't know what they do now.

[_harmony]

My little family is pretty poor, thus not a lot of extra dough for food storage. Thus we planted a little garden this Spring. It's a little, but hey, it's what we could do.

Actually, unless you have free water, don't buy the plants or seeds, use no fertilizer, and don't count the labor and time, buying canned food is cheaper than growing your own. Of course, there's nothing like a home-grown tomato, fresh from the vine, with a little salt... And let's not forget benefits of fresh air and hard work! But if we're just counting pennies, it's cheaper to buy them canned. It's definitely cheaper to buy them canned than to try preserving them yourself.

A. Canned food does not keep forever. Google Botulism.

It's called rotate. I'm sure you've heard of the concept.

B. What do you do if there are no stores to buy food in? You grow it.

There will never be "no stores".

[_Mercury]

There will never be "no stores".

HAHA!!!!!!!!

[_Mercury]

whether it is true or not I think it needs to be held up as an example

Oh the wisdom and scholarship of Mercury! The Lord has seen fit to allow Mercury to look up from his ewes and bless us with his knowledge.

Whether it is actually true that this came from Mr Little Factory is still remained to be seen is what I was referring to.

Let me clarify: This is scare tactics borrowing fear from the current economic hiccup being used to have the flock hold to the values that have been branded into their brains. Times are tough in the church and in the economy and if you don't have a steady source of income you are at a high risk of instability. Everythign will be fine though if you are religiously tied to your business and personal bank though...that's what he leaves out.

Boyd, the D-list CEO is lecturing the common man in this supposed speech. But like what has been said in other post, there has always been an undercurrent for the Mormon wet dream, a.k.a. the last days gathering of the saints meat bandied about in twenty second inserts into sermons, whispered about at scout camp devotionals and reinforced by food storage usage expectancies.

Mormons have a fetish for survivalism because it plays into the deep seated persecution complex that is engraved onto their brains while in their youth.

Nothing wrong with planning and preparing to take care of oneself. I know many LDS who when they found themselves out of work were able to eat some from food storage

Watching ones budget, getting out of debt, having an emergency fund of three to six months of vital expenses and even storing some food is wise and prudent whether you believe in the LDS Church or not.

This goes to the core contention I have with Mormonism. Remember that Chris Rock sketch where he defines the difference between Black People and n****s? If you haven't, just google it. You will see what I am talkig about.

Chris Rock expounds on the observation that n****s want praise for something you are SUPPOSED to do.

Case in point: "I take care of my kids" - Well DUH, you are SUPPOSED to take care of your kids. that's being a n***r in Chris Rocks book.

Mormonism is forced conformity mixed with rewarding conformity. Food storage is something you are SUPPOSED to do. Its also a way for church welfare to be less "strained".

[_Gazelam]

.........or if a real "Cloverfield" event actually hits NYC, the 48 hour kits might be useful even though they will take up valuable closet space.

Hey, it could happen.

This wasn't real? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuqUR0SpBP4