How does the LDS church get away with it?

[_bcspace]

As opposed to monogamy where the man has/owns only one wife?

TD (and others) seems to be operating from the notion that plural marriage equates to abuse. I'm still looking for evidence that that is the case. Surely plural marriage is not for sexual reasons as all the sex one wants can be had for free and without commitment without having to engage in plural marriage.

[_TAK]

As opposed to monogamy where the man has/owns only one wife?

Surely plural marriage is not for sexual reasons as all the sex one wants can be had for free and without commitment without having to engage in plural marriage.

Italic added ..

You must have a delightfully morbid view of the world..

[_truth dancer]

TD (and others) seems to be operating from the notion that plural marriage equates to abuse. I'm still looking for evidence that that is the case. Surely plural marriage is not for sexual reasons as all the sex one wants can be had for free and without commitment without having to engage in plural marriage.

Yes I do believe slavery is abusive, the enslavement of women is abusive, and the very dynamics of one man having multiple women is in itself abusive. Yes, the practice of men giving men privileges, power, and rights not afforded to women is abusive.

No, men wanting/having a harem is not just about sex. It is about power, authority, privilege, ego, and the continual glorification of men.

What it is not about is a man being a caring father, loving husband, intimate partner, and decent and respectful human being.

~dancer~

[_The Nehor]

TD (and others) seems to be operating from the notion that plural marriage equates to abuse. I'm still looking for evidence that that is the case. Surely plural marriage is not for sexual reasons as all the sex one wants can be had for free and without commitment without having to engage in plural marriage.

Yes I do believe slavery is abusive, the enslavement of women is abusive, and the very dynamics of one man having multiple women is in itself abusive. Yes, the practice of men giving men privileges, power, and rights not afforded to women is abusive.

No, men wanting/having a harem is not just about sex. It is about power, authority, privilege, ego, and the continual glorification of men.

What it is not about is a man being a caring father, loving husband, intimate partner, and decent and respectful human being.

~dancer~

Plural Marriage now equals slavery? What?

Uhhh....no one in the LDS Church I know of has a harem nor do I think they did. Technically a widower could exult in his wife's death because he can now have another but most LDS men I've seen at their wife's funerals tend to be mournful yet hopeful that they will one day be reunited.I think I know what those are. Nubile young women dressed in filmy gauze covering their naughty bits. I've seen the movies. I've also read the accounts of men in plural marriage. They weren't oozing with the thrill of the power, the boundless authority, the self-righteous ego-padding at how many women they won, or an obsession with how glorious they are. They seemed more like caring, decent people who cared about their spouses and children.

I find it sad that your view of men is so morbid that you assume that they all have sinister reasons for doing what they do/did.

Still,

[_truth dancer]

Plural Marriage now equals slavery? What?

No, I didn't say that. I'm saying the practice of polygyny is abusive. Slavery is abusive. Having sex with a child is abusive.

Uhhh....no one in the LDS Church I know of has a harem nor do I think they did.

It doesn't matter what it is called. Polygyny as instituted by Joseph Smith is a man getting his glorification and exaltation through owning/having/being sealed to multiple women.

Technically a widower could exult in his wife's death because he can now have another but most LDS men I've seen at their wife's funerals tend to be mournful yet hopeful that they will one day be reunited.

I'm talking about men who are sealed to more than one women who are alive.

They weren't oozing with the thrill of the power, the boundless authority, the self-righteous ego-padding at how many women they won, or an obsession with how glorious they are. They seemed more like caring, decent people who cared about their spouses and children.

Have you actually read anything by BY? Listened to WJ? Read MAD lately? Yeah, there are guys waiting for the day.

I find it sad that your view of men is so morbid that you assume that they all have sinister reasons for doing what they do/did.

Not my view of men... absolutely not. I think most civilized men would NEVER hurt their wives, find glorificaiton by having multiple women, live for the day they could be Gods with a harem, or even consider screwing young girls for their pleasure.

I do find men who screw girls, break the hearts of the wives, and find some ego gratification in creating a harem with young girls disgusting. No question about this.

~dancer~

[_The Nehor]

They weren't oozing with the thrill of the power, the boundless authority, the self-righteous ego-padding at how many women they won, or an obsession with how glorious they are. They seemed more like caring, decent people who cared about their spouses and children.

Have you actually read anything by BY? Listened to WJ? Read MAD lately? Yeah, there are guys waiting for the day.

I find it sad that your view of men is so morbid that you assume that they all have sinister reasons for doing what they do/did.

Not my view of men... absolutely not. I think most civilized men would NEVER hurt their wives, find glorificaiton by having multiple women, live for the day they could be Gods with a harem, or even consider screwing young girls for their pleasure.

I do find men who screw girls, break the hearts of the wives, and find some ego gratification in creating a harem with young girls disgusting. No question about this.

~dancer~

Those waiting for the day so they can be married to multiple women with ANY DEGREE OF UNRIGHTEOUSNESS will lose their Priesthood and it follows, their exaltation. So they will get no wives, not even one. So that would be a moot point.

I find men who destroy women repellant too. I don't know a man good enough to NEVER hurt their wife just like I don't know any women good enough to NEVER hurt their husband. The best grow and avoid it as much as possible. I just don't think that that naturally occurs simply because there is plural marriage or polygyny.

[_bcspace]

I'm saying the practice of polygyny is abusive.

How so?

[_Casslanpepci]

They would learn that the LDS church has in its scriptures the teaching of polygamy.

I hope you are not also forgetting that the Holy Bible, used and recognised as being the Word of God by ALL Christians, also has polygamous marriages within its pages! So if you want to condemn the LDS modern day scriptures because they contains polygamous verses, then you must condemn the the same in the Holy Bible.

[_truth dancer]

I hope you are not also forgetting that the Holy Bible, used and recognised as being the Word of God by ALL Christians, also has polygamous marriages within its pages! So if you want to condemn the LDS modern day scriptures because they contains polygamous verses, then you must condemn the the same in the Holy Bible.

I think there is a difference between acknowledging something existed and the belief that something is a requirement, and/or is a doctrinal teaching.

My understanding is that mainstream Christianity (with a few fringe exceptions), believe polygamy was an ancient practice tolerated by God (ultimately unrighteous), as was slavery, while the LDS church has as its core doctrine the belief that polygamy was commanded by God to restore the fullness of the gospel, a requirement (in practice or belief) for entrance into the CKHL, a divine eternal principle.

But my point is that the church is being dishonest to suggest it has nothing to do with polygamy.

~dancer~

[_truth dancer]

I find men who destroy women repellant too. I don't know a man good enough to NEVER hurt their wife just like I don't know any women good enough to NEVER hurt their husband. The best grow and avoid it as much as possible. I just don't think that that naturally occurs simply because there is plural marriage or polygyny.

Yes, I should rephrase my statement.

I don't think men who love their wives purposely, consciously choose to engage in behavior that they know will hurt their wives.

As you said, we try to avoid hurting our loved ones as much as possible. Men sleeping around with other women are not the kind of men who truly love or care for their wives.

~dancer~