Do pre-adamites help?

[_Dr. Shades]

So what is the purpose of spending millions of years just kind of nudging the process along, with false starts and dead ends? It would be like trying to make chocolate chip cookies, but instead of just using the Nestle Tollhouse recipe from the back of the package, you make thousands and thousands of different batches, trying to figure out how to make Nestle Tollhouse cookies. Then, finally, after years and years of experimentation, you arrive at the exact cookie that you could have made the first time by looking at the package.

Brilliant post, cinepro. Mind if I use it when discussing with others the incompatibility of creationism with evolution?

[_Sethbag]

One of the problems with Internet Mormon ideas is that they reconcile with science at the expense of the story. How do pre-Adamites fit in with the gospel story?

Do pre-Adamites have a spirit?

yes: then were the last generation before Adam human or animal, and will they be resurrected? Those just before wouldn't be subject to the fall and according to 2nd Nephi, ruined the whole plan of salvation (for their group).

no: then the generation before Adam were sentient without "intelligence" or a spirit body to pull the strings.

Why don't you cut the cheese and get to "Heart of the Matter"?
Neanderthals, you talking about?

Not Neanderthals, but bona fide homo sapiens who lived before the Biblical timeline of Adam.

For the record, homo sapiens had already formed the first proto-civilizations before the timeline of Adam, they had already invented agriculture, the first written symbols that lead to more extensive systems of writing, had already migrated to every continent except Antarctica, etc. But according to BCSpace they weren't "spirit children of God", because as scientific as he tries to be, he's also shackled himself, to use his word, to the idea that the Bible and the other scriptures are somehow "true", even when they seem to get everything so wrong.

The very term "pre-Adamites" is absurd. Pre-Adamites? Huh? Show me first what evidence there is that this Adam ever existed at all, while I can show you plenty of evidence that human beings already did long before Adam is supposed to have come along. Pre-Adamites? How about Non-Adamites? That seems far more appropriate, in light of the fact that the whole story of Adam and Eve as first human beings seems to be nothing more than ancient Near Eastern mythology.

It would make as much sense to discuss pre-Prometheusites, and how they cooked their food given that fire had not yet been given to them.

[_The Nehor]

Why couldn't the pre-Adamites have been mortal children of God who faced the same choice as us. Our story may have started later but I see nothing in scripture or teachings indicating that they couldn't have faced the same choices we do.

[_bcspace]

One of the weirdest things about the idea of God using evolution to create things is that it is the wrong tool for the job.

The whole idea behind evolution is that you don't know how it's going to end up.

Unless one is all-knowing or at least relatively so. I see no problem with God setting a universe or a planet in motion in such a way that there is a great likelyhood homo sapiens will evolve.

[_bcspace]

For the record, homo sapiens had already formed the first proto-civilizations before the timeline of Adam, they had already invented agriculture, the first written symbols that lead to more extensive systems of writing, had already migrated to every continent except Antarctica, etc.

How is that a problem, especially since we do not have to be bound by the creationist timeline?. With a homo sapiens brain, why could not such a creation invent a few things?

But according to BCSpace they weren't "spirit children of God", because as scientific as he tries to be, he's also shackled himself, to use his word, to the idea that the Bible and the other scriptures are somehow "true", even when they seem to get everything so wrong.

BCSpace simply finds ways that various theories can fit within the bounds of doctrine. I think I have found a very satisfying one in this case. Notice all the trouble you are having finding a chink.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Wouldn't pre-Admites also be post-Adamites as well as "during"-Adamites? I don't think there was a massive plague that wiped them all off the Earth before Adam came along. They were around before Adam, during Adam, and after Adam, and I'm pretty sure they would still exist today. Pre-Adamites creates more problems than it solves.

[_bcspace]

The very term "pre-Adamites" is absurd.

I didn't coin it. I prefer not to use it. I only do so for your convenience because it seems to be the standard term describing what we are talking about.

Pre-Adamites? Huh? Show me first what evidence there is that this Adam ever existed at all,

The testimony of the scriptures.

while I can show you plenty of evidence that human beings already did long before Adam is supposed to have come along.

Someone which I have no problem with. It fits in my theory.

How about Non-Adamites?

Not having a spirit child of God within, seems fine to me.

That seems far more appropriate, in light of the fact that the whole story of Adam and Eve as first human beings seems to be nothing more than ancient Near Eastern mythology.

Many myths with similarities could be evidence for a kernal of truth behind them.

It would make as much sense to discuss pre-Prometheusites, and how they cooked their food given that fire had not yet been given to them.

Perhaps the Lord made it taste good? lol

[_The Nehor]

Wouldn't pre-Admites also be post-Adamites as well as "during"-Adamites? I don't think there was a massive plague that wiped them all off the Earth before Adam came along. They were around before Adam, during Adam, and after Adam, and I'm pretty sure they would still exist today. Pre-Adamites creates more problems than it solves.

Then can you suggest an alternate explanation that does not conflict with the spiritual witness I've received?

[_TrashcanMan79]

Many myths with similarities could be evidence for a kernal of truth behind them.

Wonder what the kernel of truth behind vagina dentata might be....

(Sorry. Been waiting for an opening to bring it up ever since I learned about it last week. Thanks BC!)

[_cinepro]

Unless one is all-knowing or at least relatively so. I see no problem with God setting a universe or a planet in motion in such a way that there is a great likelyhood homo sapiens will evolve.

That's just it. A "great likelihood" doesn't cut it. What would He have done if homo-sapiens didn't evolve? Or the bodies didn't match up exactly to how the spirits (and He) looked? Would He have just written off the planet? Flooded it and started over? Have you even read the Genesis account of the creation?

And really, what's the point? Other than allowing people to believe both the Bible and the Theory of Evolution, is there any other reason to try and blend the two? When are you going to argue that God created man using evolution just as a test to our faith?