Do pre-adamites help?

[_moksha]

Wonder what the kernel of truth behind vagina dentata might be....

Did somebody misplace their dentures?

[_The Nehor]

Wouldn't pre-Admites also be post-Adamites as well as "during"-Adamites? I don't think there was a massive plague that wiped them all off the Earth before Adam came along. They were around before Adam, during Adam, and after Adam, and I'm pretty sure they would still exist today. Pre-Adamites creates more problems than it solves.

Then can you suggest an alternate explanation that does not conflict with the spiritual witness I've received?

Why would anyone be motivated to come up with an explanation that doesn't contradict your cute little spiritual witness?
Spiritual witnesses are less epistemically significant than fortune cookies and more varied and contradictory by orders of magnitude.

The same reason I am motivated to come here and try to convince the barbarian anti's that they should repent and be saved. If you're not here to try to convince someone then why come here of all places?

Oh, that reminds me: REPENT all ye unbelievers for the day of judgment is at hand. Repent before it is everlastingly too late.

Oh, and if you want to make forune cookies more interesting, append, "except in bed" to the end of your fortune.

[_bcspace]

Ultimately, the theory of Pre-Adamites runs into the last, final question:

How would the world be different if there were no Adam and Eve, or Fall?

Exactly as delineated in the Book of Mormon..... 2 Nephi 2:22-23

Oh, and actually I do have a chink in your pet theory. You use 2 Nephi 2:22 as your loophole by arguing that it allows for a "creative period" to exist where all bets are off, and the whole immortality and no death and whatnot thing only has to apply when the creative period is over ("... after they were created").

The problem is that the same verse also says that this applies to all things, or more fully, all things that were created. You're stuck either having to assert a very ideosyncratic definition of "all things" that actually excludes probably 99.999% of all living things that ever have lived on the Earth, or you have to assert a very ideosyncratic definition of "created" that actually excludes as "non-created" 99.999% of all living things that ever have lived on the Earth, up to and including all these presumed "pre-Adamites".

Yes, all things that were created. Whatever existed then was the end product of evolution. One way of looking at it is that everything else that came before was just ingredients for the cake.

The whole thing is exceedingly dubious right from the start, because even if one allows for your own ideosyncratic word redefinitions, you're still faced with the fact that the LDS Prophets, Seers, and Revelators don't appear ever to have believed what you assert in your theory,

Yet none of them proclaimed anything the Church considers doctrine that contradicts my theory.

and if you can get past that one, you're still faced with Cinepro's point, which is that your theory offers nothing whatsoever of any real intellectual or explanatory substance, other than giving you and perhaps a few like-minded individuals a way to justify continued belief in the scriptures as well as the theory of evolution.

Invective.

But hey, nothing I say can stop you from believing what you want.

Amen! Same goes for you too.

But everyone sees through the charade, BC.

Only those who've been stymied in one of their favorite attempts against the LDS Church or who take for doctrine statements the Church doesn't consider doctrine.

There's absolutely no substance to your theory. It's a mind game you are playing against yourself.

The same can be said of you.

[_cinepro]

Yes, all things that were created. Whatever existed then was the end product of evolution. One way of looking at it is that everything else that came before was just ingredients for the cake.

The phrase "end product of evolution" has no meaning. Even while Adam and Eve would have been in the Garden, evolution would have been continuing in the outside world, even among the pre-Adamites. If evolution is the tool used for creation, then creation is continuing as we speak, and it has yet to be "finished".

[_bcspace]

The phrase "end product of evolution" has no meaning.

It does at any given point in time such as the point at which Adam and Eve may have decided NOT to partake of the fruit.

Even while Adam and Eve would have been in the Garden, evolution would have been continuing in the outside world, even among the pre-Adamites.

Depends on whether or not the effect of the garden applied to the whole world. If not, then why could not they have died out (as the Neanderthals did) or perhaps, spirit childen of God began to inhabit their bodies as well (only an outside chance of fitting within LDS dotrine). There are many possibilities. As long as they exist, then evolution always fits within LDS doctrine unless recealed otherwise.

If evolution is the tool used for creation, then creation is continuing as we speak,

Yes.

and it has yet to be "finished".

The creation was finished when Adam and Eve were placed in the garden to await the decision as to whether or not all would continue as before. It doesn't mark the end of evolution.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Is there a way to tell who is a pre-Adamite and who is a regular Adamite? Can someone who is a descendant of a pre-Adamite join the church? Since Pre-Adamites outnumbered Adam and Eve, wouldn't the Adamite DNA be essentially gone by now, and we would all be Pre-Adamites?

[_bcspace]

Is there a way to tell who is a pre-Adamite and who is a regular Adamite?

If my theory is correct, I don't anticipate any significant DNA differences betweem preAdamites and regular Adamites. They are all homo sapiens.

Can someone who is a descendant of a pre-Adamite join the church?

If there are any such descendents (which I think extremely unlikely), yes. That because they are would a spirit hild of God within them.

Since Pre-Adamites outnumbered Adam and Eve, wouldn't the Adamite DNA be essentially gone by now, and we would all be Pre-Adamites?

Answered above. Their DNA is the same.

[_Chap]

Can someone who is a descendant of a pre-Adamite join the church?

If there are any such descendents (which I think extremely unlikely), yes. That because they are would a spirit hild of God within them.

Why do you think it is unlikely that there are any descendants of pre-Adamites alive today?

And roughly when do you think Adam and Eve lived?

[_Chap]

Can someone who is a descendant of a pre-Adamite join the church?

If there are any such descendents (which I think extremely unlikely), yes. That because they are would a spirit hild of God within them.

Why do you think it is unlikely that there are any descendants of pre-Adamites alive today?

And roughly when do you think Adam and Eve lived?

I'd really like to know.

[_SatanWasSetUp]

Is there a way to tell who is a pre-Adamite and who is a regular Adamite?

If my theory is correct, I don't anticipate any significant DNA differences betweem preAdamites and regular Adamites. They are all homo sapiens.

Can someone who is a descendant of a pre-Adamite join the church?

If there are any such descendents (which I think extremely unlikely), yes. That because they are would a spirit hild of God within them.

Since Pre-Adamites outnumbered Adam and Eve, wouldn't the Adamite DNA be essentially gone by now, and we would all be Pre-Adamites?

Answered above. Their DNA is the same.

So, if I understand your theory. When Adam and Even were placed in Missouri, there were already millions of people on the Earth. Up in heaven, we all waited in line for our turn on Earth. When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, the velvet rope was removed and we began filling bodies on Earth. So all the babies born to th pre-Adamites after Adam ate the fruit got spirits. I guess that makes sense, and it would help explain who Adam's children married.