BC's View of LDS Doctrine -- Is It Doctrine?

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The Nehor wrote:
Runtu wrote:Which one? The Holy Ghost that guided Nephi to kill Laban, or the one that guided the Laffertys to kill a baby?


The one you find that starts leading you bit by bit to truth and is right all the time.
Please define "truth". Otherwise your statment is too subjective to be considered.

You and a member of the FLDS hold the same holy ghost induced feelings about polygamy. Who is right?
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Runtu wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Runtu wrote:Which one? The Holy Ghost that guided Nephi to kill Laban, or the one that guided the Laffertys to kill a baby?


The one you find that starts leading you bit by bit to truth and is right all the time.


I'm sure the Laffertys thought theirs was always right.


Then at some point they lied to themselves or God did tell them to do it. I suspect the former.
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The Nehor wrote:
Then at some point they lied to themselves or God did tell them to do it. I suspect the former.


But you can't know that, can you, any more than you can know that God told Nephi to kill Laban?
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Boaz & Lidia wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Runtu wrote:Which one? The Holy Ghost that guided Nephi to kill Laban, or the one that guided the Laffertys to kill a baby?


The one you find that starts leading you bit by bit to truth and is right all the time.
Please define "truth". Otherwise your statment is too subjective to be considered.

You and a member of the FLDS hold the same holy ghost induced feelings about polygamy. Who is right?


Only I know if I'm right. Only they know if they're right.
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Runtu wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Then at some point they lied to themselves or God did tell them to do it. I suspect the former.


But you can't know that, can you, any more than you can know that God told Nephi to kill Laban?


Nope, I usually only get information on the rightness or wrongness of my own actions.
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The Nehor wrote:Only I know if I'm right. Only they know if they're right.


Hence the remark that your approach is highly subjective.
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Runtu wrote:
The Nehor wrote:Only I know if I'm right. Only they know if they're right.


Hence the remark that your approach is highly subjective.


Perhaps, but it's solid to me. I would be afraid of a world where the Holy Ghost was telling everyone around me what I should do and vice-versa.
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Perhaps, but it's solid to me. I would be afraid of a world where the Holy Ghost was telling everyone around me what I should do and vice-versa.


Uh, that's essentially the role of a priesthood leader: to receive revelation that tells you what to do.
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Runtu wrote:
The Nehor wrote:
Perhaps, but it's solid to me. I would be afraid of a world where the Holy Ghost was telling everyone around me what I should do and vice-versa.


Uh, that's essentially the role of a priesthood leader: to receive revelation that tells you what to do.


Yeah, but it's limited to a few and most Priesthood callings cover what they should instruct us to do in a general sense. With the exception of interview situations their advice is general and used mostly for teaching. In interviews, you're seeking counsel so shouldn't be surprised if they have some....though usually only enough to get you on the right path.
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I noticed that BC has a link in his signature line to the Church's press release of last year explaining what constitutes "doctrine" of the Church. I am sure this must have been asked before, but it seems under the press release's own description of what doctrine is, the press release itself IS NOT doctrine. So are we not simply left without any "doctrinal" description of what is in fact "doctrine"?


Why do you think the Church would publish such a thing if it weren't doctrine?

Yup. Doctrine is in the canon.


Indeed.

Everything else published by the church is considered "consistent" with doctrine, but cannot itself be doctrine.


Incorrect. If that were so, the doctrine need not be published elsewhere or be established as per the previous sentence. Doctrine, therefore, is the interpretation of scripture. As a corolllary: Scripture is doctrine but doctrine is not scripture.

I suppose a fair response to the question of "What is true Mormon doctrine" (possibly asked by someone who wants to follow Elder Packer's advice about how to change attitudes and behavior) is to refer one to the press release about what consitutes Mormon doctrine with the caveat that the release itself does not consitute doctrine,


Having such a caveat invaldidates the content. Being published by the Church means the release is official and doctrinal.

In addition to antiMormons arguing amongst themselves about what is LDS doctrine being ironic, they also have a vested interest in there NOT being any doctrinal standard at all in order for their arguments to have any affect. To that end, they will dismiss any attempt by the Church to define doctrine, no matter the source, no matter the venue. Highly irrational and hypocritical as most, if not all churches have standards for doctrine.
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