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_SatanWasSetUp
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Post by _SatanWasSetUp »

Bond...James Bond wrote:I think it's soo weird that you log on to these sites and it's the same people over and over and over. I mean I got 4400 posts here but this is the only board I post on [well plus 500 at MAD]. But some of these folks [exmos and mos]...damn.


Yeah, I notice that too. There really aren't many people debating Mormonism. The truthfulness of the church is an irrelevant debate in the grand scheme of things. We find it interesting because the church played such a huge role in our lives, but the small numbers involved is telling. A similar small group of people is currently debating the truth claims of Jehovah's Witnesses, and another tiny group is debating Scientology, etc. The overwhelming majority of the world couldn't care less about the truth claims of all these little religious sects. The Star Trek vs. Star Wars debate probably has more participants.
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_Blixa
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Post by _Blixa »

The best part is the OP of that thread, where Heather talks about an offensive video she describes has having been "created by the Mormon hate group." Would that be MAD?
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_Boaz & Lidia
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

Dart/Kev/Alex you are coming along nicely as an exmo.

Wearing gentile undies and posting on chapel boards.. good!
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Post by _Boaz & Lidia »

Oh
my
gawd

Check out the gallery where the dweb TBMs can post pictures of themselves...

This is used by the poster Hemidakota:

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Is that a new priesthood blessing hold?
_Bond...James Bond
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

I'm offended GoodK is posting there and yet is retired from here....
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_Mercury
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Post by _Mercury »

Bond...James Bond wrote:I'm offended GoodK is posting there and yet is retired from here....


He'll be back after his raging boner for leykis has gone limp.
And crawling on the planet's face
Some insects called the human race
Lost in time
And lost in space...and meaning
_dartagnan
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Post by _dartagnan »

Well I was banned.

LOL... that didn't last long.

I responded to Traveler but was prohibited, so i started a new thread and they immediately deleted it. This is what I responded to:


You put yourself on a high pedastal, but your word usage screams foul attack. You do not even discuss points, but call others' viewpoints 'nonsense' and use colorful idioms and ad hominous arguments to make your points.

To excuse Joseph Smith inability to translate Egyptian characters, by saying he never was trying to literally translate Egyptian characters in the first place, is in fact nonsense. It is a bald assertion that doesn't rely on evidence. Instead, it flies in its face. We already known for a fact that Joseph Smith thought he was translating the Egyptian symbols.
You give no quarter to the allowance for 'wiggle room' within the situation

You're right. I don't give much credit to apologetic assertions that aren't based even on even the flimsiest amount of evidence.
but demand that your interperetation of the evidence

I don't require such a thing. If you don't believe me, then trust Joseph Smith. He is the one who said this is what he was doing. Don't take my word for it. This isn't about "interpretation" of any evidences. It is a matter of accepting what he said.
You do interject evidence- which is good- but it is amid a carnival act of abuse. That seems less like discussion and more like open emnity.

Give me a break. There is simply no easy way to present evidence like this that would be welcomed. It is always met with fierce resistance, and I guess it is understandable. For most people here, the Church is not only true, but it has to be. The prospect that Joseph Smith really couldn't do what he said, isn't really something they're prepared to entertain on an emotional level, let alone argue on an intellectual one.
Another thing- no one said they didn't believe Joseph Smith couldn't translate ancient records- merely that, in the case of the Book of Abraham, he might not have made a direct translation.

But there is no evidence of this. It appears to be ad hoc apologetic theory in the face of the evidence to the contrary.
Get real - I think you a fraud

Convenient for you.
Chiasmus are ancient Hebrew literary form - not Egyptian.

I never said it was Egyptian. I asked if that is what you had in mind. Clearly you're aware that this has been argued previously. Well, probably not.
I will give you another hint.

Quit your posturing. If you have something to present then stop beating about the bush and present it. I think we both know you have no clue what you're talking about. You're probably getting ready to relay something you found in Nibley, Gee or Hauglid. And of course, they haven't left the faith so they must be reliable and objective scholars, right? Well, I happen to know for a fact that Gee isn't reliable. And neither is Nibley.

You don't want to debate me on the elephant, so stop pretending that you do.

Answer these questions and perhaps you and I will have a discussion – continue your ridiculous rants and false accusations concerning my post and I will request that you be banned from this forum.

Of course this was the objective all along. That's the best way to "deal" with people who present uncomfortable facts. You certainly aren't up to the task of refutation. You simply don't have the required background to do so. So go make your complaints and get control of the environment for further indoctrination without information. That appears to be all you're interested in.
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