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I don’t know why G-d decides to give my cousin a brilliant brain, but the inability to express his thoughts coherently. I don’t know why He chooses to allow some people to be tormented by their own minds. I don’t know why He allows women to be raped, children to be abused, or people to starve. And I often go back and forth between the questions of “Where is G-d?” and more importantly… “Where is humanity?”


Steuss,

Thank you for sharing this. It was very moving. I relate to it strongly, although our paths may diverge. I try to be open about the fact that several of my family members suffer from bipolar disorder, including my intelligent, creative, and determined 20 year old son, because I want to de-stigmatize it, and I want people to know that it is a disease that can be successfully treated. (I’m not insinuating you have bipolar, but this is the disease that has touched my family in particular.) The greatest gift my ex-husband has ever given my son was to see what a life with untreated bipolar looks like, and what it does to the people who love the person suffering from the disease. My son is determined to control his disease (would that there were a cure), and so far has done a tremendous job doing so. You would never suspect he has a serious mental illness, and will have it the rest of his life. He’s like the diabetic who controls his diet and takes his meds – it’s something that has to be dealt with, but is not destroying his life.

Although I have family members that suffer from the illness, I do not have bipolar and do not have a depressive personality in general. But I have been to h*ll and back along with my son, in trying to learn how to control his symptoms and dealing with the fall-out when they were not under control. If I had not already been an atheist, I guarantee watching my son suffer through this torment, and reading about the illness in general, would have made me one – not because of the suffering, per se, but because of what mental illnesses teach us about how the mind works in the first place. A person who suffers from untreated bipolar often engages in behavior that others, and particularly religion, would label as immoral and acts of free will. One example is hyper-sexuality. Although my son was too young to go through that phase, I was on a list with parents of bipolar teens and heard all their stories, and remember my bipolar roommate from college (back before I had ever heard of the disease, but it’s clear, in retrospect, this is what was wrong with her – a stunningly creative and brilliant girl whose life was being ravaged by an undiagnosed mental illness) who would literally have sex with strangers off the street when she was manic. This was not a choice she made with free will or agency. It was a choice that was dictated by the chemical composition of her brain at that moment. Can you imagine if she, later in the throes of the inevitable, mind-dulling, weeks-long depressions, had gone to clergy for help, knowing she had “sinned”? How gladly she would have accepted the fault, the blame, for her current depression.

Other traits manifested by people with bipolar are less extreme, but still the type of behavior that annoys other people, like extreme self-centeredness and grandiosity. Unless it is so extreme as to be obviously delusional, this just looks like bad personality traits that the person just ought to “fix”. But it is out of the person’s control.

Yes, bipolar is a disorder, but it teaches us something about how the brain works in the first place. The lesson that I found clear was that our behavior is often dictated by the chemical composition in our physical brain, and that is out of our control. This made me seriously doubt the idea of “free will” in the first place. (I do believe a form of free will exists within certain parameters set by factors out of our control.)

My ex-husband was diagnosed with bipolar in the last year of our marriage – a marriage that had already been destroyed by his disease (and since he refuses treatment, the disease has almost completely destroyed his relationships with his children, as well, tragically). Of course, when he grew up, child-onset bipolar was unheard of, so who knows how much help he would have gotten. But by the time he was a young adult, he should have been getting professional intervention. But his family didn’t believe in that stuff, and still don’t. They believe in religion and whippings to straighten out the wayward. This still disturbs me, not just because of the inheritance this gives to my children, but due to the fact that ex-husband is a man of considerable charm, intelligence, and talents. His life has been altered forever by an untreated disease. I don’t blame Mormonism alone for this, but the LDS influence in his upbringing was part of the reason his parents never sought help for him when he was young. They just didn’t trust psychiatrists and psychologists, and still don’t.

I do believe the LDS church is making progress, but like with most progress it’s made, it is following the lead set by larger society.
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When I open my missionary journal it's filled with mantra's. I would bear my "testimony" frequently, remind myself that this month was the month we'd baptise, chastise myself for shortcomings and even ask myself and God why I was failing in my goals.

Guilt and the numbers were the driver, not love. Even though I made the decision on my own to serve a mission because I wanted to share love and peace to my brothers and sisters. I loved people I hadn't even met. I've always believed that people are basically good. I didn't get a chance to feel good about my righteous intent.

I regularly expressed inadequacy to the baptising challenge and then would step in and encourage myself not to give up.

My journal is embarrassing to me. I won't burn it though. I'll keep it as a reminder of how the service negatively influenced the rest of my life and those around me.

Shame upon those blind guides.


Oh yes, this entry is just the tip of the missionary journal iceberg. This particular journal was notes I took during MTC lessons and later zone conferences. It's filled with exhortations that we must change, we must baptize, baptize!! The funniest part I read was where Elder Hales (now a GA) was tearing into us missionaries for our failures, and then glibly declared that the place to learn "how to baptize" was in our district meetings. Those pesky details were apparently beneath him. Or something.
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Sam Harris wrote:I find it admirable when men can overcome the societal pressures and face their depression. I've seen far too many angry men who are hurting on the inside...


Or are self medicating with not the best drugs. Or are expressing their anger with the people around them.
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rcrocket wrote:Basically, the Supreme Court acknowledged that pastoral counseling is a part of religion, every religion, and a pastor can't be held responsible for bad advice.


Isn't that wonderful, a Get-outta-jail-free-even-if-I-f***-up-people's-lives-with-bad-advice-card.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
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Beastie,

Thank you as well for the thoughtful reply. Your son is truly (truly) lucky to have a supportive parent. I myself realize that I would most likely not be alive today if it weren’t for the love and support of my family and friends.

I am bipolar (type II) and have mild schizophrenia. I think that your approach (of being open) is most likely one of the best approaches that we “average” folks can take in order to help slowly remove the stigma.

I unfortunately wasn’t properly diagnosed until I was 23. I had been hospitalized in high-school, and had seen more psychiatrists and psychologists than I can count, but it wasn’t until 13 years after the onset (my parents believe it began when I was 10 as that’s when there was a bit of a personality shift) that I was finally diagnosed properly.

Does your son keep a calendar? If not, he might want to (or you can keep it for him). It can be a great tool for “predicting” when the next high or low will occur. For the most part, I have my big downswings once every 3 months, and then a life-threatening crash once every 3-4 years. My manias aren’t really much of a problem as they are mild and usually express themselves artistically. The strange thing about my calendar is that it doesn’t so much help me “prepare” for the crash as much as it helps me be free from fear after a crash (if that makes sense). Prior to me knowing my cycle, I was always worried… always afraid of when I might lose myself to my demons again.

For whatever it’s worth coming from a young Mormon sprout – I’m proud of you for your dedication to your son and your approach to his disorder/illness. It seriously warms my heart that your son is a survivor, and that he has someone in the trenches with him.

Hugs,
Stuart

PS.
If you ever have a little extra change lying about, and feel like squandering it on a book, excerpts of a journal of mine (from one of my dark times) are published in the book Outsmarting Depression: Surviving the Crossfire of the Mental Health Wars by Debbie Thurman.
"Some people never go crazy. What truly horrible lives they must lead." ~Charles Bukowski
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Stuart,

I agree. People who suffer from bipolar and are controlling their symptoms need to “come out of the closet” in order to help society understand this illness. The media so often represents people with mental illnesses at their worse. I am always glad to see high-profile individuals, like Kay Redfield Jamison (a famous professor of psychiatry who researched and written about bipolar for many years before finally admitting she, herself, has bipolar), talk openly about their illness. I really do think it’s the only way it will be finally recognized for what it is – a biological illness that happens to manifest itself psychologically. Another book I really enjoyed was Lizzie Simon’s “Detour – My Bipolar Road Trip in 4-D”. I’d never heard of her before, but apparently she’s a well- known theater producer in New York. She got tired of hearing about the terrible “bipolar person commits horrible crime” stories in the news, and got tired of seeing her friends react with prejudice and fear, so she came out of the “closet”. And, of course, there’s “Patty Duke” (Anna). People need to know that bipolar can be successfully treated, like many other diseases, and people who suffer from it (or other mental illnesses) can usually have productive, happy lives.

My son is one of the lucky ones – not in the form of the disease he has (he has ultradian, or ultra rapid cycling, he can cycle in the course of one day) – but in the fact that he is in medicine-induced remission, and has been for three years. Like you, he went many years before we figured out what was wrong. His symptoms started at age 4. I knew something about him changed that year, I just didn’t know what. People kept telling it was just the terrible fours…but it was something more, something different. He also was good at hiding his symptoms – he was afraid people would think he was “crazy”. But at fifteen, he had a huge crash, and it was obvious, then, what was wrong. The fact that his dad had recently been diagnosed with bipolar was a helpful clue, too. I will never forget the look in my son’s eyes during his worst depression – he looked like a wounded animal. But the good news is he hasn’t had a depressive or manic episode in three years, since we happened upon the “gold” treatment for him (combination litium/lamictal). We used to keep a calendar, as you suggested. If he ever begins to cycle again we will start back up, because it is very useful in determining triggers (like lack of sleep).

I’m so glad you’re doing better, and you are a survivor. I think people who have bipolar and confront it with determination and stamina that “normal” people cannot fathom are the bravest people I know. And yes, my son and you are lucky in that you have supportive family and friends. It breaks my heart to know there are people suffering with this disease who do not have that good fortune, and end up untreated and miserable. It is a tragedy.

(ps, I’ll put the book on my wish list)
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Wow guys. After reading your stories, a comment like "Not enough electroshock therapy." to treat any sort of perceived shortcoming is all the more callous. I hope The Nehor does the right thing and offers, at the very least, you two an apology. What is obvious is religion plays no small role in misidentifying and dismissing real suffering as "sin", and that if one is just faithful enough then one can be "happy". What a shame.
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antishock8 wrote:Wow guys. After reading your stories, a comment like "Not enough electroshock therapy." to treat any sort of perceived shortcoming is all the more callous. I hope The Nehor does the right thing and offers, at the very least, you two an apology. What is obvious is religion plays no small role in misidentifying and dismissing real suffering as "sin", and that if one is just faithful enough then one can be "happy". What a shame.


Thanks for the laugh. The one whose sig-line is a lie piously suggests I should apologize.....wow.
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The Nehor wrote:
antishock8 wrote:Wow guys. After reading your stories, a comment like "Not enough electroshock therapy." to treat any sort of perceived shortcoming is all the more callous. I hope The Nehor does the right thing and offers, at the very least, you two an apology. What is obvious is religion plays no small role in misidentifying and dismissing real suffering as "sin", and that if one is just faithful enough then one can be "happy". What a shame.


Thanks for the laugh. The one whose sig-line is a lie piously suggests I should apologize.....wow.


So you're not going to apologize for your callous remarks toward those who suffer from depression (caused by *cough* unnamed afflictions)?
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Post by _beastie »

antishock - I don't expect anything from Nehor other than that which he has demonstrated on this thread, and many others. He's being what he's capable of being. I've decided ignoring him is the best route.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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