Stop the Nightmares

[_Sam Harris]

And Kemp, you must be a disgruntled teen, because all you can do is say "nana, you called me a name so I'll call you it in return!!! *raspberry*", and provide no hard evidence for your views.

You sound so much like another extremist atheist on this board. So sure that your views will save the world. Finish college first, ok?

[_Paul Kemp]

The assumption that I and anyone else who doesn't agree with you advocates child abuse. The assumption that those who choose to lead their lives led by religion are abusing their children.

This is your opinion. Who cares about your opinion? Please go find some teen friends who will validate you.

Oh ok, I understand. You are arguing against things I have never argued. Cool. It's been a while since I have seen a straw man.

Shoo troll.

[_Paul Kemp]

Finish college first, ok?

O.K, jut a little trollery...

Where did you obtain your degree, and how are you benefitting from it?

(I wasn't aware it took a college degree to work at the park?)

[_Sam Harris]

I really wish that our youth had more to take up their time these days other than posting on boards full of adults, thinking that because they learned one thing on the news today, they have a good grasp of what is going on in society at large.

Why don't you just continue to defend child abusers?

Assumption. You do assume that those who disagree with your half a cent are defending child abuse. I am an advocate against it, and I do not believe in telling children they will go to hell. Had a grandma who did that, and she only enforced the self-hatred I felt at that young age. But if my mom hadn't beaten me like I was Kunta Kinte, I might have just laughed at grandma instead of wondering whether hell was worse than the life I was living.

Did you just admit that mutilating the genitals of an infant is a religious freedom?

Did you once again make a base assertion, due to the fact that someone didn't validate you?

And I take no stock in what a "good many billions" of people profess to believe.

And few here give a damn that you're a myopic, disgruntled, fundamentalist atheist who acts like he is some sort of God, in that he's stepped into every family in existence and seen how they raise their kids.

Fictional beliefs hold no weight in this discussion.

I'm sorry for what people did to you in the name of religion, but you seriously need to either get therapy to deal with your emotional issues, or learn to let go on your own.

Waaaaaa.

Incoherence and frothing at the mouth.

Believe whatever sort of nonsense you want, waste your life and your money on it. I don't care. But stop abusing your children. Stop polluting their developing minds with sinister threats about a place that doesn't exist.

More assumptions! How do you know every theist here is wasting their money and life on their religion? I haven't paid a dime to a church in years, I give my last dollars to the homeless, thank you. And I would never abuse my child. Not while they're in my womb, not when they're here. Been there, done that, got the ripped and decaying t-shirt.

Having the right to believe something does not give someone the right to scare the s*** out of children to the point that it is emotional abuse.

Agreed, but you have yet to prove that all theists do this.

Using this mythical place to torment children into following a religion is a lot different than teaching them the natural consequences of certain actions.

Once again I state: Agreed, but you have yet to prove that all theists do this.

Do parents have the right to scare the bejesus out of their kids in the name of their God de jour?

Once again, you have to prove that all theists do this. Until you do that, you just come across as a wank with an agenda.

I grew up with parents who weren't very religious, and two grandmothers who were. I knew about heaven and hell, but was more concerened with making sure I wasn't slapped, kicked, stripped, or beaten to think about those places. Most of the theists I know grew up with teachings of heaven and hell too, but they were not told they were going to hell, in fact they were assured of their goodness and of the parents and God who loved them.

Just because you were abused doesn't mean that everyone was. I've been learned that lesson. When will you?

[consiglieri]

Finish college first, ok?

O.K, jut a little trollery...

Where did you obtain your degree, and how are you benefitting from it?

(I wasn't aware it took a college degree to work at the park?)

I am in the process due to the fact that I had to wait until I was 24 to sign my own forms. As a true victim of child abuse, I lived with a mother who saw my birth as the reason why she couldn't go to college. Living with her, I had to include her salary and information on my FAFSA forms. She adamantly refused to sign, even at one point telling me I wasn't ready for college. I am now 26. But I do not profess to know the thoughts of every human being alive, nor do I even assume I know much at all. Still, I sought education where I could, and found edification in many unorthodox forms. You'd benefit from a little humility.

Edited to add more information.

[_Sam Harris]

Finish college first, ok?

O.K, jut a little trollery...

Where did you obtain your degree, and how are you benefitting from it?

(I wasn't aware it took a college degree to work at the park?)

Oh, and before you make the mistake of trying to wave credentials, learn to spell, or take a breath before posting. Your anger is showing.

[_Sam Harris]

LOL, one more off topic post!

Benefiting from a degree? Do you know how many people I have worked with who have even masters degrees, whose work I do for them? Some of them haven't been able to think without my assistance. So yeah, I'm in progress, but I have a good brain.

College gives you valuable life experience...I wish I had been given the chance to actually go away. But I study online, quickly. I have a 3.7 GPA from half-assing it, I learned a foreign language from watching TV and talking with my friends in that village.

There's nothing like an education well applied. There's nothing like going. My younger brother chose not to, and I feel for him, but that's his choice. I don't know where he's going to work without school or learning a trade.

YOU, Kemp, whoever you are...stop assuming that you are so in touch with the world. I just finished watching my boss's daughter dance at church on a video he took. Yeah, religion only produces pain...for folks like you who INSIST on seeing it.

[Guest]

Unfortunately, this petition is only for the U.K but I think something like this should be started here, too.

http://www.stopthenightmares.org.uk/

Repeatedly threatening children with brutal torture in the form of eternal damnation is psychological child abuse, and has extremely negative, long-term effects on their mental health. It's bullying, it's disgusting, and we need to put a stop to it.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2703,n,n

Do parents have the right to scare the bejesus out of their kids in the name of their God de jour?

Paul Kemp has now thoroughly exposed himself as an intolerant totalitarian leftist and an apostle of political correctness for whom the freedoms and rights guaranteed in the Constitution are luxuries only for those with the accepted, orthodox ideology. For the rest, they are crumbs to by thrown from the master's table if and when that master sees fit.

Well, its nice at least to see that we now have our own baby Ward Chruchill to liven things up a bit around here on the weekends and pump steam into the fever swamps.

Viva la Revolución!

[_Droopy]

Do parents have the right to scare the bejesus out of their kids in the name of their God de jour?

What implications does this question have, one might ask, about the fear mongering and hysteria surrounding Anthropogenic Global Warming, and other environmental scares, promoted incessantly by the government schools upon impressionable and immature school children?

What about the preposterous lies and historical fantasies pumped into the heads of said children by multicultural history textbooks (promoting hatred of America, the West, and its heritage and romanticizing "traditional" third world cultures or Amerindians)?

[_Paul Kemp]

I really wish that our youth had more to take up
their time these days other than posting on boards full of adults

Me too. I doubt their are any youth on this board though. I mean, what kid would want to post here with a bunch of cranky old trolls.
You seem to have plenty of time to post - good thing you're a grown up.

I do not believe in telling children they will go to hell.

Then you are here, trolling. You big troll face. Get out of here.

And few here give a damn that you're a myopic, disgruntled,
fundamentalist atheist who acts like he is some sort of God, in that
he's stepped into every family in existence and seen how they raise
their kids.

All that you got from what I've posted? Wow, you're good. How could an atheist act like some sort of God, though?
How would that work, exactly? Would I play dead, if I was acting like God, and as an "atheist" I didn't believe in God? Please explain, I think you might be on to something here.

I'm sorry for what people did to you in the name of religion, but you
seriously need to either get therapy to deal with your emotional issues,
or learn to let go on your own.

Stop trying to personalize this, troll. And stop trying to belittle me with what you think my motives must be. It's not very adult-like, really. We are all adults here. I won't stoop to this level of childishness.

Agreed, but you have yet to prove that all theists do this.

I don't have to prove anything to you. Do you even know what this thread is about, or what the original post said? Why the heck would I have to prove every theist emotionally abuses their child? Did I say this? Seriously, I don't care to personalize this any further, but you need to sit and read the post. In context. Please. Prove to me that your reading comprehension is better than what is on display.

Just because you were abused doesn't mean that everyone was. I've been
learned that lesson. When will you?

Once again, you are being childish and belittling of someone whom you think you are older and smarter than (false). I was lucky enough to grow up with loving parents, and wasn't abused (besides having a portion of my genitals sliced off as an infant). If I was abused, I probably wouldn't throw it around as nonchalantly as you are. I'm sorry you were abused.

LOL, one more off topic post!

Sure, why not? You've already taken the liberty to make this thread about you.

And who better to come along and crap on this post further than the arrogant and self congratulating redneck, Droopy.

Cool.

Some of them haven't been able to think without my assistance. So yeah, I'm in progress, but I have a good brain.

Then why on god's green earth would you have the BALLS to tell me I should go finish college first? As the kids would say, LOL. Literally.