Stop the Nightmares

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_Paul Kemp
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Post by _Paul Kemp »

Droopy wrote:
Of course. Anyone that says something Droopy agrees with is right on.


This is normally the case, yes. Indeed, it could be understood as a logical necessity.


But of course. An incident that happened last week is quite an isolated extreme. Especially when two children of the same lineage have died as a result of their parents "freedom of religion" THIS YEAR. How dare I dig so deep in the news cycle and think an article posted to CNN's website yesterday is anything but an isolated extreme.


Do you not understand that you are killing your own positoin here?

I didn't think so.

Move on, nothing to see here.


I guess you don't understand sarcasm, or perhaps you are already knee-deep into your 30 pack of Busch by now.

It's 5 somewhere... apparently Droopy's trailer park.
We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
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Post by _Droopy »

I guess you don't understand sarcasm, or perhaps you are already knee-deep into your 30 pack of Busch by now.


Kemp is a sock puppet. How do I know? I haven't mentioned my alcoholism for sometime. Paul has only been here a few days, and yet he knows all about it.

Come out, come out, whoever you are...
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Sock puppets are Good. K?
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Post by _cksalmon »

Droopy wrote:
I guess you don't understand sarcasm, or perhaps you are already knee-deep into your 30 pack of Busch by now.


Kemp is a sock puppet. How do I know? I haven't mentioned my alcoholism for sometime. Paul has only been here a few days, and yet he knows all about it.

Come out, come out, whoever you are...


For the ever-loving love of Christ (and I don't mean that ironically), yes, this is indicative of something. Let's assume that alcoholics are incapable of engaging, in any meaningful sense, in logical discourse. And, then, let's ascribe to any and all of their comments a genesis in American swill.

Utterly Lame. I don't see as many communists around every corner as Coggins. That's true.

But, you have much too much knowledge to know about it, and, much too much of the LDS mindset in you to deepsix Coggins's comments based on your necessarily-limited (at least one must suppose) knowledge of another regular poster's issues.

Ultra. Lame.

And weak.

(I'm about to affix my name; get ready:)

Chris
_Paul Kemp
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Post by _Paul Kemp »

Droopy wrote:
I guess you don't understand sarcasm, or perhaps you are already knee-deep into your 30 pack of Busch by now.


Kemp is a sock puppet. How do I know? I haven't mentioned my alcoholism for sometime. Paul has only been here a few days, and yet he knows all about it.

Come out, come out, whoever you are...


Wow, that off-handed comment hit a little closer to home than I planned. I haven't read your posts on alcoholism, but it makes sense. You wouldn't be the first right wing, red neck drunk.
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Post by _Paul Kemp »

cksalmon wrote:
For the ever-loving love of Christ (and I don't mean that ironically), yes, this is indicative of something. Let's assume that alcoholics are incapable of engaging, in any meaningful sense, in logical discourse. And, then, let's ascribe to any and all of their comments a genesis in American swill.


Let's not assume anything about alcoholics. Droopy, ironically, fits the right wing, gay bashing, muslim hating, everyone is a liberal, Rush Limbaugh loving cheap beer drinking jerk. That's all. No need to assume things about logical discourse. Let's not fool ourselves.

But, you have much too much knowledge to know about it, and, much too much of the LDS mindset in you to deepsix Coggins's comments based on your necessarily-limited (at least one must suppose) knowledge of another regular poster's issues.


I don't know what you are saying here. Really.

Love,

Paul
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_Roger Morrison
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Re: Stop the Nightmares

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Paul Kemp wrote:Unfortunately, this petition is only for the U.K but I think something like this should be started here, too.

http://www.stopthenightmares.org.uk/


Repeatedly threatening children with brutal torture in the form of eternal damnation is psychological child abuse, and has extremely negative, long-term effects on their mental health. It's bullying, it's disgusting, and we need to put a stop to it.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2703,n,n


Do parents have the right to scare the bejesus out of their kids in the name of their God de jour?


Hi Paul, you've certainly riled the waters with your very simple and direct, non-prejudicial question. Unless folks believe simply asking questions, though possibly tinged, is in fact edicting a law, without due process?? From the article referred to above:

We would not tolerate it if religion were not involved. Every year millions of children suffer nightmares, depression, chronic fear and the detrimental long term effects of being repeatedly threatened with torture. This is not a trivial issue, and it needs to be addressed. Religions in the UK routinely threaten and bully people of all ages in their attempts to evangelise. Religious schools describe the dreadful physical tortures that will be inflicted on children as young as 5 if they do not do as they are told, and believe what they are told. Street preachers threaten passers by with dreadful fates in the hope that they will be terrified into signing up. An atheist behaving like this would be arrested and fined, yet our society tolerates this behaviour from members of numerous religions as though it were perfectly acceptable.



Seems in Jolly-olde, you have the same rights/rites as we do in North America. Imagine that, eh. The right to opinions, to advocate, protest, question questions and, to get bloody-angry to the point of going public with an issue that offends one. The purpose being to see if that issue ofends others. Tis a good process...Magna Carta and all that good stuff, long before there was a Caucasion America...

I expect, little did you know how seriously is taken the ancient British credo, "An English man's home is HIS castle!" in Ye good olde USA, eh?

Interesting this comes on the heels of FLDSism being raided by the Law Folks of Texas, with not a lot of public sympathy... Back to the question of fear-mongering children: Tis an ancient tradition, recall Grimes Fairy Tales :-). It is the bottom pedogogical rung that most folks teach from.

In their state of ignorance--"...it worked for me..."--it is simply applied from one generation to another. Until some one questioned: child-labour, education as a right--not a privilege, physical abuse of women and children, water-fountains of your choice, etc. etc...

Personally, i think it advisable to eliminate severe psyche intrusions on children, youth AND older folks. THE key is EDUCATION not indoctrination. Actually i'm quite surprised by the negative responses of some posters here. I expected a little less reactionism. But what ya sees is what ya gets.
It does help, "getting to know you...Getting to know all about you..." from some old song...

Six pages in a very few days! Makes it an exceptionally good topic! Congrats Paul! Warm regards, Roger
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Post by _Sam Harris »

RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:Sock puppets are Good. K?


LOL, you read my mind.
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Re: Stop the Nightmares

Post by _Paul Kemp »

Roger Morrison wrote:
Paul Kemp wrote:
Repeatedly threatening children with brutal torture in the form of eternal damnation is psychological child abuse, and has extremely negative, long-term effects on their mental health. It's bullying, it's disgusting, and we need to put a stop to it.


Hi Paul, you've certainly riled the waters with your very simple and direct, non-prejudicial question. Unless folks believe simply asking questions, though possibly tinged, is in fact edicting a law, without due process?? From the article referred to above:

We would not tolerate it if religion were not involved. Every year millions of children suffer nightmares, depression, chronic fear and the detrimental long term effects of being repeatedly threatened with torture. This is not a trivial issue, and it needs to be addressed. Religions in the UK routinely threaten and bully people of all ages in their attempts to evangelise. Religious schools describe the dreadful physical tortures that will be inflicted on children as young as 5 if they do not do as they are told, and believe what they are told. Street preachers threaten passers by with dreadful fates in the hope that they will be terrified into signing up. An atheist behaving like this would be arrested and fined, yet our society tolerates this behaviour from members of numerous religions as though it were perfectly acceptable.




Interesting this comes on the heels of FLDSism being raided by the Law Folks of Texas, with not a lot of public sympathy... Back to the question of fear-mongering children: Tis an ancient tradition, recall Grimes Fairy Tales :-). It is the bottom pedogogical rung that most folks teach from.

Thank you, Roger. I was surprised as well at some of the reactions on this thread. Particularly the character attacks and comparisons to the DPR.
I think the quote I bolded above is what is important, and not being addressed by those here that think its ok to frighten children with stories of mythical underworlds.
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We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.
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Post by _GoodK »

RenegadeOfPhunk wrote:Sock puppets are Good. K?


They are good. My sock puppet is Chap, though. You can go ask DCP.


Take me out Kobe style, Merc.
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