Trevor wrote:We give thousands every year to charity--the money we used to give to the LDS Church. We also volunteer in soup kitchens.
I'm happy to hear that you are so generous.
Once again you are a smug little layabout, your response implying that Mormonism is a great charitable organization. If you are related to A GA, i guess you recieve "charity"...but its in the form of a trust fund.
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moksha wrote:Bah, making fun of good deeds is too cheap of shot.
Exploitation of others misfortune for a PR stunt, now that's good though right?
When the LDS help out and nothing is reported you'd crow over how little we do.
If we do something and it is reported, you accuse us of doing it for self-serving purposes.
Not sure how to win here. One of the symptoms of becoming a devil according to C.S. Lewis is wanting to see gray as black. Eventually you see white as black.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
liberal secularists give considerably less to charity (and even to non-religious charities) and do considerably less charitable volunteering than do religious conservatives.
It seems like I've been in this discussion before. Inside the US, it might be true but then someone challenged me on that so your book might be wrong. But since liberals lean toward socialism, if you look outside of the US to Europe, Canada, and other places, clearly there is far more secular concern for the poor than in the United States. There is a difference in the way America and Europe approach "service".
I would not be surprised if your book is right, and it doesn't bother me if it is. A market economy provides a way for the rich to help the poor primarily to get notoriety, but either way, the poor are still helped. So I think it's great that the selfish invisible hand that guides the market can find a way to help the poor. But, I just point out that it is what it is. And that there are many wealthy coorporations that do similar things. Some go way above and beyond for their employees than any church, especially the Mormon church, would do for its members. But they'd just as easily lay them off if that seemed to be the more prifitable route. In america, this false, self-promoting brotherly love works, and I'm find with that. But I see it for what it is, and that's all.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Gadianton wrote:Inside the US, it might be true but then someone challenged me on that so your book might be wrong. But since liberals lean toward socialism, if you look outside of the US to Europe, Canada, and other places, clearly there is far more secular concern for the poor than in the United States. There is a difference in the way America and Europe approach "service".
Professor Brooks discusses this topic quite interestingly in his book.
Incidentally, he appears to know something of Europe. I read just this past week that, prior to becoming an academic, he was a professional classical musician in Europe for twelve years.
Oh yeah? Well, is his book about America or Europe too? I don't know Dr. Peterson, I haven't read it.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.
Gadianton wrote:b) extra service is time away from tracting.
Bingo!. When I was on my Mission a long, long time ago, I liked doing service activities a lot more than tracking. Though I did kind of like to get into a few Bible debates while tracking, a long, long time ago.
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
Trevor wrote:We give thousands every year to charity--the money we used to give to the LDS Church. We also volunteer in soup kitchens.
I'm happy to hear that you are so generous.
Once again you are a smug little layabout, your response implying that Mormonism is a great charitable organization.
I think it is. And my response was entirely sincere.
I am sure it is, Oh Grand Tapir.
What, on average to the church's income is comparable to its charitable donations?
Please do not count money given to families in the ward who are also full tithe payers, as this is not charity but a gimmie...kinda like the tax stimulus check.
While I am on the subject (and so you are perfectly clear in what I am attempting to impart), the tax stimulus check is like throwing a prostitute a handfull of change and then laughing and leaving the hotel room, down to the lobby and into a limo.
Throw in some hookers and blow in the Holy of holies and you have the church. Jesus Christ i'm random tonight.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
Tonight, a polite and even-handed critic of the LDS Church known as Gadianton, went to the grocery store to buy beer. But this evening's trip would be different than it has been on other occasions. Tonight, as Gadianton exited his vehicle with tempered confidence, a young woman approached him. Now, granted, this isn't uncommon, given his well-known sex appeal. But tonight's approach is different. Tonight, a desperate young woman had only one objective, not her own personal gratifications, but to help her children. Her story is one of tragedy. The bottom line is that wiithin days, if she cannot raise 50 dollars, she and her children will be evicted from their home.
Fifty dollars will not fix her life, it will not heal her situations. But it will give her another month to find some answers. Fifty dollars. To her, an impossible hurdle. To an apologist, it might be the proceeds of half a paper. Unappreciated, and downplayed as "nothing". Well, this "nothing" surely is really something.
Tonight's hero, Gadianton, had conflicted thoughts about helping this young lady. But, rushing to his mind was a thread on a Mormon Discussions forum and he realized, that by helping this person in need, he could announce his Saintliness to the rest of the world. This sealed the deal, he opened his wallet, and gave all that he had. Nine dollars. Had he had more, he would have given more. He even took out an additional 20 in the store but did not see her on his way out. All to look good and to score a cheap point on the Internet Forum he posts on.
It crossed his mind that an additional point could be scored by mentioning that had they both been in Temple Square, and had he been entering to do a "session" for the Lord rather than buy beer to break the Prophet's commandments, that this young lady's eviction would be certain. For a large, brass plaque nailed to the forbidding stone walls of Temple Square instructs its patrons not to give money to the poor.
So, Gadianton, in his supposed "sins" is looking all good tonight, and the LDS church in its supposed righteousness, is looking inferior.
Gadianton: A friend, a Patriot, a red-hot lover, and a kind philanthropist.
Like the article or not, this young lady is that much closer to keeping her home because of him.
Lou Midgley 08/20/2020: "...meat wad," and "cockroach" are pithy descriptions of human beings used by gemli? They were not fashioned by Professor Peterson.
LM 11/23/2018: one can explain away the soul of human beings...as...a Meat Unit, to use Professor Peterson's clever derogatory description of gemli's ideology.